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the smoke radio for the masses headline

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edition july 8 1947

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the army air forces has announced that a

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flying disc has been found and is now in

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the possession of the army

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if the game is rigged change the game

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game changer

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i occasionally think how quickly

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our differences worldwide

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would vanish

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if we were facing an alien threat from

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this is fade to black it's your host

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jimmy church on the game changer radio

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i need your help to get to the year

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1985.

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you're listening to fate to flag with

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jimmy church on the game changer network

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how you doing today is wednesday

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i would like to welcome everybody

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listening all around the world all

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across the united states

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hither and tether to and fro back and

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forth up and down east and west north

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and south

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far and near

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for kjcr the game changer and on x

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race hobbes

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i am your host jimmy church what is

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cracking everybody how you doing

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how you doing

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all right

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what a great week on the show had so

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much fun

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closing it out tonight very special

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richard dodie

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some column rick

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richard doty is back with us we're going

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to be talking about

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the possible disinfo and misinfo and

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ufology

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i think that there are some forces out

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there

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trying to heat things up and it just

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ain't gonna work never does by the way

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and uh so we're gonna be talking about

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that tonight and tomorrow is another

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fader night

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with open lines all night long so get

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ready for that kitties

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fader night tomorrow night coming up i

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will be hosting an emceeing the

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conscious life expo

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going down this february 10th through

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the 13th at the lax hilton

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and i just love saying that every single

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year the lax hilton

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it's great because if you're flying in

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from out of town you're flying into lax

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you walk to the hilton

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you could walk

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to the hilton it's right there

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right uber on strike you could walk but

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it's right there it's so convenient such

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a great hotel and it's big so there we

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are once again the conscious life expo

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www.consciouslifeexpo.com the links are

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below and then right after that

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i i mean i just can't believe this

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my first cruise

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the hidden secrets seminar at sea cruise

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brattles and vivian chauvet i say it

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every single night

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and a bunch of other great speakers so

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go and check out the lineup and get your

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get your vacation time set up and come

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and hang out with us for a week

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at the x and uh eden pure

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winter

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that's right and it's not the game of

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that you're taking care of viruses and

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crazy breaking news right before the

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that's right

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amtrak in the news all long-distance

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amtrak trains

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are canceled

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starting tomorrow thursday september

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15th negotiations are ongoing between

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unions and railroad companies although

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amtrak isn't part of that

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if they don't come to an agreement the

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first national rail strike in 30 years

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could kick off

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so there you go i know you had all those

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the orient express i know you had that

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it's not in the united states

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all right ukrainian president

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car accident but he emerged with no

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serious injuries the car collision was

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in kiev right before showtime tonight

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president's press secretary a car

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collided with the car of the president

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of ukraine and escort vehicles

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authorities are investigating the

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circumstances of the incident and there

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is no more information at this time i'll

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with everything tomorrow on the show but

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top ally of russian president vladimir

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this time of an alleged stroke

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while on a business trip in the village

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russia right okay it's rashino in

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russia's far east region vladimir san

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gorkin 68 years old was the

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newspaper sun gorkhan died suddenly

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man i'm not going to comment on this

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i don't know what the solution is

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but i mean don't take a trip to eastern

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whoever you don't go to east russia bad

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things happen

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germany and japan

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have pledged not to conduct destructive

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anti-satellite tests that could create

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dangerous clouds of space debris in

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orbit the announcement of these pledges

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were made at the second session of the

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united nations on reducing space threats

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which is being held in geneva to reduce

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those threats in space

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germany and japan's announcement follow

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similar pledges made by the united

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states canada and new zealand

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there you go

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threat in space

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let's get this show cracking on this day

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in history 1959 another threat in space

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in 1959

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a soviet rocket carrying the flag of the

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soviet union

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crashes into the moon becoming the first

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man-made object sent from earth

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to reach the lunar surface that's how

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they got there couldn't land it

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and just crashed it

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with the soviet flag

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1959 that's a threat in space fader fact

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all right here you go

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and the clock starts now

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in the time it took for you to listen to

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me say that

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around 100 000 cells in your body died

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and were replaced

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by new ones

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yeah

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that's pretty cool and that

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is your fader fact you know i i had um i

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just um i just finished

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the white lotus

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have you guys seen that yet have you

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guys watched the white lotus it's on hbo

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hbo max

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the white lotus go and check it out

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all right it's not what you think the

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white lotus is a resort

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in hawaii so it's a series six episodes

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jennifer coolidge

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they need the small trains

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so they can make the big trains

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i love jennifer coolidge she's amazing

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and she's amazing in this i think she

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just won an emmy

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uh for her performance in that but the

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white lotus when it came out

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got got past me

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and i just uh finished my binge if you

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haven't watched the white lotus i just

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got picked up for season two it was only

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supposed to be six episodes just one off

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an anthology but uh so they're doing it

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again

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and uh

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yeah but it's not going to be in hawaii

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i think it's going to be in spain

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some of the star i don't know how

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they're going to do it all right i just

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spoke too much just check out the white

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lotus

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cobra kai

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cobra guy

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the new season is out

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oh

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i love science fiction so much

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in the movies and and thor love and

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thunder is out and and i still haven't

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watched that it's sitting there and i'm

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going to get to it but i love my science

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fiction i do

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but

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getting away from science fiction like

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parks and recreation right uh

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brooklyn nine-nine amazing

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uh and uh cobra kai you know things like

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that i like to like to get off of

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science fiction and just get into this

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doofus stuff what was that other one

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kimmy schmidt saves the world or

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whatever that thing was called

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man that was a great series

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i enjoyed it

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all right let me hit this river moon

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coffee tonight richard dodie is back

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with us we're going to be talking about

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the possible disinfo miss info and

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ufology i'm going to talk more about

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that in just a minute and tomorrow's

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another fader night with open lines all

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night long

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yeah there you go thank you for that

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olivia

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jennifer cool she's amazing

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and uh

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uh napoleon dynamite um you remember

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napoleon dynamite's uncle the

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quarterback from the football team

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right remember him i used to throw that

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i'd throw for a mile you remember that

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right okay anyway

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he's in the white lotus

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he's jennifer coolidge's boyfriend

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all right spoiler alert

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yeah that's pretty cool okay anyway uh

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tomorrow night is fader night with open

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lines all night long let me hit this

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i like my coffee doc

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like rick dodie

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rick dodie likes his coffee doc river

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moon coffee

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rivermoonwellness.com the links are

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disinformation

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misinformation

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they have been part of ufology

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in our community

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this my friends my family

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this is a fact

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if you want direct

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serious proof

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project blue book

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that's right

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think about this for a second

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because

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you know and that went on for let's go

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i'm gonna round some numbers off 1950 to

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1960 1960 1970. okay so let's go round

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about

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20 years

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of misinfo disinfo

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project blue book

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was written

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it was designed to

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and published for

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spreading of disinformation directly to

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the public about ufos

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that's right

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our very own government

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and the u.s air force

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all with taxpayer dollars

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now think about that

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it and

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and this went on

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in an official capacity

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and think about the amount of work that

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was put into project blue book

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right you got jay allen heineck he got

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his team going out investigating cases

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and then and and then publishing the

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results of that

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in a

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deliberate attempt

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to spread this information

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right think about that and any of the

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serious cases in there there were 701

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that were

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never resolved

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no serious research there

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no comment there

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right and that is misinformation

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think about that

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this went on

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for 20 years and when you want to say

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well why would they you know why well

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there's a lot of reasons for it

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um

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and i think that uh on top of the food

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chain that if there is

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anything to talk about if there's any

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knowledge uh about the ufo subject

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um that is something that

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the air force the military the pentagon

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the white house decided that

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we didn't need to know

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that's it

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that that was a subject that was going

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to be kept from

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the american public

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and the world

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and at the front of all of that

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was project blue book

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but that's not the only and that if you

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want a direct example

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right and and by

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uh

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spreading that

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throughout ufology to

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all of the researchers that were

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researching the subject

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uh in the 50s and 60s

439
00:22:47,909 --> 00:22:45,440
that uh knew about project blue book

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00:22:50,070 --> 00:22:47,919
think about the influence that it had

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on everybody else out there

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so there's that

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but then we can move forward i'll give

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you another example

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in my opinion

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we have project serpo

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00:23:07,669 --> 00:23:05,280
and project serpo again i think that

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00:23:08,950 --> 00:23:07,679
there is enough data and information out

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00:23:10,549 --> 00:23:08,960
there

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to suggest

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00:23:18,070 --> 00:23:14,480
to everyone that it was once again

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00:23:19,590 --> 00:23:18,080
disinformation created by our government

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00:23:21,990 --> 00:23:19,600
through any means

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to spread disinformation into the ufo

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community

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00:23:28,789 --> 00:23:26,000
and it was very effective

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00:23:31,350 --> 00:23:28,799
it was very effective

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and it was done in modern uh with modern

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means electronically the internet

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00:23:38,710 --> 00:23:37,440
so you have that

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and

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i can't i can't express enough

463
00:23:52,149 --> 00:23:49,440
that it was a situation in my life um

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and i don't i'm sure that you can go uh

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00:23:58,070 --> 00:23:55,200
the ufo the the internet ufo way back

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00:24:01,430 --> 00:23:58,080
machine go and find the original website

467
00:24:03,350 --> 00:24:01,440
and certainly the latest uh iteration

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00:24:06,630 --> 00:24:03,360
of the website with all of the updates

469
00:24:07,590 --> 00:24:06,640
and look at how much information was

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00:24:09,110 --> 00:24:07,600
there

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00:24:12,230 --> 00:24:09,120
it was crazy

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00:24:14,789 --> 00:24:12,240
and i was coming home every day looking

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00:24:16,230 --> 00:24:14,799
for another update from martinez is

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there going to be something there it's

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going to be and and these updates were

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00:24:22,230 --> 00:24:19,760
just

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you know detailed and deep and

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we had the aviary and and oh man it was

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but it wasn't real

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right

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00:24:37,190 --> 00:24:35,279
and i think that and especially with the

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00:24:39,909 --> 00:24:37,200
people that were involved with it

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uh all fingers point back to washington

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and different three three letter

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agencies

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so there's an example right there

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now why would they do it

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00:24:53,590 --> 00:24:51,360
right now i think that there were um a

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lot of reasons

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00:24:57,510 --> 00:24:55,760
for that to happen like it did and i

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think that with disinformation and

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00:25:01,269 --> 00:24:58,960
misinformation and the way that it's

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00:25:02,870 --> 00:25:01,279
handled and distributed uh throughout

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00:25:04,390 --> 00:25:02,880
the ufo community

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uh the government wants to know who's

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00:25:09,830 --> 00:25:06,880
talking to who who are your sources who

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are you giving information to is there a

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leak inside of the pentagon or inside of

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the cia right

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00:25:20,070 --> 00:25:17,279
is there right and and who is

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00:25:23,029 --> 00:25:20,080
communicating so you put these little

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00:25:25,110 --> 00:25:23,039
nuggets out there and then you find out

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00:25:27,190 --> 00:25:25,120
through cross channels and communication

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00:25:32,070 --> 00:25:27,200
who was talking to who

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and and i think serpo did exactly that

506
00:25:37,590 --> 00:25:33,919
exactly that

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00:25:40,870 --> 00:25:37,600
but probably not as much as

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the mj12 document

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mj 12 documents this thick

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well everybody involved except for

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except for stanton friedman

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had connections back to the air force in

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the air force osi and and other

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government agencies and of course the

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pentagon

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right the osi the office of special

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investigations and and uh rick can

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certainly comment further on that uh

519
00:26:15,830 --> 00:26:14,320
during the broadcast tonight but here's

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00:26:18,230 --> 00:26:15,840
the deal

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00:26:20,149 --> 00:26:18,240
um when we go back and you look at

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project blue book

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00:26:24,870 --> 00:26:23,039
and you look at serpo and others too as

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well i don't have the time tonight to go

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00:26:28,549 --> 00:26:26,559
through every single case of

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00:26:29,750 --> 00:26:28,559
disinformation and misinformation that's

527
00:26:32,070 --> 00:26:29,760
been out there

528
00:26:33,190 --> 00:26:32,080
but uh just like uh

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00:26:34,870 --> 00:26:33,200
blue book

530
00:26:37,190 --> 00:26:34,880
and serpo

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with stanton friedman

532
00:26:42,549 --> 00:26:39,919
you have somebody that's legitimately

533
00:26:46,549 --> 00:26:42,559
involved in all of these

534
00:26:47,909 --> 00:26:46,559
and that adds to the credibility of what

535
00:26:50,950 --> 00:26:47,919
you're dealing with

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00:26:54,710 --> 00:26:50,960
and having stanton there

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00:26:56,310 --> 00:26:54,720
um uh with jamie chanderay right and

538
00:26:59,110 --> 00:26:56,320
bill moore

539
00:27:01,590 --> 00:26:59,120
it it added to the credibility of what

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00:27:04,870 --> 00:27:01,600
mj 12 was all about and stanton went off

541
00:27:07,909 --> 00:27:04,880
and did his own uh investigation into it

542
00:27:09,430 --> 00:27:07,919
and and it it was something that just

543
00:27:10,789 --> 00:27:09,440
sat there

544
00:27:12,870 --> 00:27:10,799
and

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00:27:14,870 --> 00:27:12,880
not only spread through the ufo

546
00:27:17,510 --> 00:27:14,880
community but if you think that we are

547
00:27:20,470 --> 00:27:17,520
in the days of disclosure today

548
00:27:23,029 --> 00:27:20,480
when the mj-12 documents came out

549
00:27:25,510 --> 00:27:23,039
and how they came out

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00:27:27,350 --> 00:27:25,520
we all thought that we were

551
00:27:28,789 --> 00:27:27,360
in disclosure

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00:27:31,110 --> 00:27:28,799
that this was it

553
00:27:31,990 --> 00:27:31,120
this was the document trove this wasn't

554
00:27:36,390 --> 00:27:32,000
the

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00:27:40,310 --> 00:27:36,400
grainy

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00:27:43,350 --> 00:27:40,320
leaked navy videos of uaps were talking

557
00:27:45,669 --> 00:27:43,360
about stacks of documents that had to go

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00:27:48,950 --> 00:27:45,679
and and get reviewed that all appeared

559
00:27:50,470 --> 00:27:48,960
to be official

560
00:27:52,950 --> 00:27:50,480
now you need to think about that that

561
00:27:55,029 --> 00:27:52,960
was a pretty effective campaign and it

562
00:27:57,190 --> 00:27:55,039
really kept everybody

563
00:27:58,470 --> 00:27:57,200
uh going in and chasing their tails in

564
00:28:00,789 --> 00:27:58,480
every direction

565
00:28:03,190 --> 00:28:00,799
but today

566
00:28:06,950 --> 00:28:03,200
because that's 20 years ago those were

567
00:28:09,110 --> 00:28:06,960
the old days today we have social media

568
00:28:11,830 --> 00:28:09,120
today we have the internet

569
00:28:14,389 --> 00:28:11,840
of course we have websites and it's much

570
00:28:17,510 --> 00:28:14,399
easier and faster to spread the seeds

571
00:28:19,990 --> 00:28:17,520
that you want or need to sow

572
00:28:23,190 --> 00:28:20,000
those those seeds of disinformation of

573
00:28:26,950 --> 00:28:23,200
misinformation to create distrust right

574
00:28:29,990 --> 00:28:26,960
to start a feud or two character attacks

575
00:28:32,389 --> 00:28:30,000
yeah it's so much easier than delivering

576
00:28:33,669 --> 00:28:32,399
a package to an address with a roll of

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00:28:34,710 --> 00:28:33,679
film in it

578
00:28:36,789 --> 00:28:34,720
you know and you got to wait and see

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what you know what's going to happen is

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the package going to get open is the

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film going to be there is it going to be

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developed is somebody going to do

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something with it you have to sit and

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wait not today

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oh no

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with the net we know action

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is just a click away

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and you can monitor everything in real

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00:29:00,950 --> 00:28:59,840
time you can see who was talking to who

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right

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and you know what i'm talking about

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because you do it every day

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don't you

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of course you do

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when we talk about mockingbird

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and

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the ability for agencies in washington

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dc

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to get journalists

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um out there newscasters talking heads

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on the payroll to handle misinformation

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00:29:34,950 --> 00:29:32,399
and disinformation to handle what the

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public hears and sees and reads

604
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right

605
00:29:39,750 --> 00:29:38,000
today with the internet

606
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you don't have to pay

607
00:29:44,310 --> 00:29:41,120
you don't have to

608
00:29:46,470 --> 00:29:44,320
go and recruit these journalists

609
00:29:49,269 --> 00:29:46,480
these newscasters it's all on the

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think about that

611
00:29:56,950 --> 00:29:55,039
so is that going down in ufology today

612
00:30:00,870 --> 00:29:56,960
yes i think it's a fact

613
00:30:02,789 --> 00:30:00,880
it has to it's too easy and it's just

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not ufology

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it's everything

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that's why i wanted rick dodie on the

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show tonight

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i'm your host jimmy church this is fade

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to black

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i'm the game changer and on x networks

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tomorrow night is fader night with open

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lines all night long stay tuned for that

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and when i come back after this short

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break rick dodi is here i need to talk

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00:30:27,590 --> 00:30:25,039
to rick

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about what's going down today

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is there misinformation disinformation

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00:30:36,389 --> 00:30:34,799
in ufology in our community

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i hope we find out

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i'm you know jimmy church this is fade

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what's up chris what up this is

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00:35:37,990 --> 00:35:36,790
all right welcome back fade to black i

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am your host jimmy church i got a

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stretch i got to get ready

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00:35:45,510 --> 00:35:42,240
rick dodie's here tonight

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that's right

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00:35:50,710 --> 00:35:47,760
we've got a lot to talk about oh i got a

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little short in my headphones hold on

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00:35:54,630 --> 00:35:52,800
let's see if i'm back i'm back

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he was born in new york state but grew

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up in a military family then served this

726
00:36:01,430 --> 00:35:58,880
country in the united states air force

727
00:36:04,310 --> 00:36:01,440
he was hired by the air force office of

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00:36:07,349 --> 00:36:04,320
special investigation after intending

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00:36:09,190 --> 00:36:07,359
intelligence course taught by

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00:36:11,109 --> 00:36:09,200
the air force office of and special

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investigations defense intelligence

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00:36:16,310 --> 00:36:14,000
agency and the central intelligence

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agency he served at kirkland air force

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base as a counterintelligence officer he

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00:36:23,430 --> 00:36:21,280
saw duty at the nevada test site the air

736
00:36:25,829 --> 00:36:23,440
force test center detachment 3 groom

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00:36:27,190 --> 00:36:25,839
lake nevada he also investigated the

738
00:36:29,430 --> 00:36:27,200
coyote cannon

739
00:36:31,750 --> 00:36:29,440
canyon ufo sighting on kirkland air

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00:36:34,390 --> 00:36:31,760
force base and of course the paul

741
00:36:37,910 --> 00:36:34,400
benowitz incident he was also assigned

742
00:36:41,270 --> 00:36:37,920
to afosi european headquarters

743
00:36:44,710 --> 00:36:41,280
we spotted oh we spotted really i didn't

744
00:36:47,990 --> 00:36:44,720
know that as a counter espionage agent

745
00:36:49,829 --> 00:36:48,000
after leaving the afosi he

746
00:36:51,510 --> 00:36:49,839
was assigned to the air force reserve

747
00:36:53,589 --> 00:36:51,520
unit and later was employed by the state

748
00:36:56,150 --> 00:36:53,599
of new mexico he also worked for the

749
00:36:58,950 --> 00:36:56,160
institute for advanced studies and uh

750
00:37:00,550 --> 00:36:58,960
with hal put off and today he's retired

751
00:37:03,030 --> 00:37:00,560
and employed as a consultant he's

752
00:37:06,069 --> 00:37:03,040
actually a movie star and it's featured

753
00:37:08,790 --> 00:37:06,079
in gaia tv's cosmic disclosure and uh

754
00:37:10,870 --> 00:37:08,800
we've got links for rick below and i

755
00:37:13,510 --> 00:37:10,880
would like to welcome back to fade to

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black rick doty richard dodie rick dodie

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00:37:19,829 --> 00:37:15,760
how you doing tonight sir great jimmy

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00:37:23,589 --> 00:37:19,839
great to be here randy on your show yeah

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00:37:26,470 --> 00:37:23,599
and i love the smile you know and and uh

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00:37:28,950 --> 00:37:26,480
you know i i know rick's like okay man i

761
00:37:30,230 --> 00:37:28,960
hope this goes well but but here's the

762
00:37:31,349 --> 00:37:30,240
thing

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00:37:33,109 --> 00:37:31,359
let's uh

764
00:37:35,750 --> 00:37:33,119
let's actually just start out of the

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00:37:36,710 --> 00:37:35,760
gate uh rick you and i know each other

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00:37:40,790 --> 00:37:36,720
um

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00:37:42,150 --> 00:37:40,800
the road in the past but we've hung out

768
00:37:44,230 --> 00:37:42,160
we broke bread

769
00:37:46,950 --> 00:37:44,240
uh i think we've had a cocktail or two

770
00:37:48,630 --> 00:37:46,960
uh as well i've even introduced you i

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00:37:51,670 --> 00:37:48,640
think wait a minute

772
00:37:54,470 --> 00:37:51,680
were you on one of my panels once yes i

773
00:37:57,510 --> 00:37:54,480
was yeah yeah okay so we've kind of you

774
00:37:58,870 --> 00:37:57,520
know we've done everything uh uh um uh

775
00:37:59,670 --> 00:37:58,880
in the past

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00:38:03,030 --> 00:37:59,680
so

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00:38:05,510 --> 00:38:03,040
it just it it with the measure of trust

778
00:38:06,950 --> 00:38:05,520
i have to ask this

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00:38:08,150 --> 00:38:06,960
you know

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00:38:10,230 --> 00:38:08,160
um

781
00:38:13,190 --> 00:38:10,240
that there are people listening to the

782
00:38:14,950 --> 00:38:13,200
show right now that are going

783
00:38:17,349 --> 00:38:14,960
we can't believe anything that comes out

784
00:38:19,990 --> 00:38:17,359
of dodie's mouth you know how can we

785
00:38:21,829 --> 00:38:20,000
trust what he says

786
00:38:24,069 --> 00:38:21,839
and this is something that you're

787
00:38:26,150 --> 00:38:24,079
confronted with i'm sure or you feel

788
00:38:29,829 --> 00:38:26,160
that pressure every single day

789
00:38:31,430 --> 00:38:29,839
um i need your response to that

790
00:38:33,829 --> 00:38:31,440
well

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00:38:35,829 --> 00:38:33,839
i had a job to do years ago with the air

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00:38:37,829 --> 00:38:35,839
force office special investigations as a

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00:38:39,109 --> 00:38:37,839
counterintelligence officer

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00:38:42,230 --> 00:38:39,119
uh

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00:38:44,069 --> 00:38:42,240
a lot of my work wasn't pleasant work

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00:38:47,589 --> 00:38:44,079
a lot of it uh

797
00:38:50,230 --> 00:38:47,599
involved disinformation misinformation

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00:38:53,030 --> 00:38:50,240
uh a lot of that information has leaked

799
00:38:54,710 --> 00:38:53,040
or been uh released through foia

800
00:38:55,670 --> 00:38:54,720
over the years

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00:38:58,550 --> 00:38:55,680
and

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00:39:01,829 --> 00:38:58,560
the one thing that people hold against

803
00:39:05,109 --> 00:39:01,839
me is the paul benowitz case yes

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00:39:07,910 --> 00:39:05,119
my actuality uh well and you can include

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00:39:10,790 --> 00:39:07,920
me right in that we have talked about

806
00:39:12,310 --> 00:39:10,800
this okay absolutely uh

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00:39:16,069 --> 00:39:12,320
and uh

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00:39:17,349 --> 00:39:16,079
the story is i i was instructed to do an

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00:39:19,510 --> 00:39:17,359
operation

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00:39:21,510 --> 00:39:19,520
against paul binowitz because of what he

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00:39:23,829 --> 00:39:21,520
knew and what he was doing

812
00:39:24,950 --> 00:39:23,839
and i had to provide him information

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00:39:26,630 --> 00:39:24,960
that wasn't

814
00:39:29,190 --> 00:39:26,640
totally accurate

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00:39:30,470 --> 00:39:29,200
but but

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00:39:32,550 --> 00:39:30,480
if if

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00:39:33,510 --> 00:39:32,560
if you've read the report many people

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00:39:35,750 --> 00:39:33,520
have

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00:39:37,829 --> 00:39:35,760
and uh listened to me and some of the

820
00:39:39,190 --> 00:39:37,839
people even have talked to paul before

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00:39:40,710 --> 00:39:39,200
he passed away

822
00:39:44,230 --> 00:39:40,720
they found out

823
00:39:45,990 --> 00:39:44,240
the truth is i never fed him anything

824
00:39:48,390 --> 00:39:46,000
that he didn't want to hear

825
00:39:49,829 --> 00:39:48,400
paul bennowitz was al already a believer

826
00:39:51,510 --> 00:39:49,839
in ufos

827
00:39:53,270 --> 00:39:51,520
and so it wasn't difficult for me to

828
00:39:56,069 --> 00:39:53,280
convince him

829
00:39:58,470 --> 00:39:56,079
of what we wanted him to believe and

830
00:40:01,190 --> 00:39:58,480
that's what they hold against me uh all

831
00:40:03,670 --> 00:40:01,200
these years i mean i i used to get

832
00:40:05,750 --> 00:40:03,680
hundreds and hundreds of emails

833
00:40:06,790 --> 00:40:05,760
probably 60 percent of them pretty nasty

834
00:40:10,630 --> 00:40:06,800
ones but

835
00:40:12,950 --> 00:40:10,640
today in 2 and 2022 i still get a lot of

836
00:40:15,589 --> 00:40:12,960
emails but but most of them are really

837
00:40:17,430 --> 00:40:15,599
positive i still get some negative ones

838
00:40:19,190 --> 00:40:17,440
and as long as they're

839
00:40:21,109 --> 00:40:19,200
uh polite

840
00:40:26,150 --> 00:40:21,119
negative uh

841
00:40:29,030 --> 00:40:26,160
i'll answer i'll respond to them but um

842
00:40:32,069 --> 00:40:29,040
i'm not the the horrible

843
00:40:34,710 --> 00:40:32,079
uh evil person that people

844
00:40:36,390 --> 00:40:34,720
uh thought of me and and primarily

845
00:40:38,069 --> 00:40:36,400
because of paul benowitz

846
00:40:39,109 --> 00:40:38,079
uh when people get to know me and meet

847
00:40:39,910 --> 00:40:39,119
me

848
00:40:41,190 --> 00:40:39,920
uh

849
00:40:42,150 --> 00:40:41,200
they like me

850
00:40:44,710 --> 00:40:42,160
but

851
00:40:46,950 --> 00:40:44,720
you sit down and talk because

852
00:40:47,990 --> 00:40:46,960
i mean i've i've i've

853
00:40:51,270 --> 00:40:48,000
had some

854
00:40:55,829 --> 00:40:51,280
rick rick is that disinformation

855
00:40:57,829 --> 00:40:55,839
is acting that role part of the

856
00:41:00,230 --> 00:40:57,839
the agent's job

857
00:41:02,950 --> 00:41:00,240
oh absolutely yeah it is i mean we're

858
00:41:04,550 --> 00:41:02,960
taught to we're we're taught that

859
00:41:07,430 --> 00:41:04,560
we're taught to do that

860
00:41:08,710 --> 00:41:07,440
but i left government service and and

861
00:41:10,470 --> 00:41:08,720
other than

862
00:41:12,150 --> 00:41:10,480
air force reserves

863
00:41:15,109 --> 00:41:12,160
uh which i didn't have anything to do

864
00:41:16,309 --> 00:41:15,119
with ufos uh i left government services

865
00:41:19,109 --> 00:41:16,319
years ago

866
00:41:21,510 --> 00:41:19,119
and uh i didn't i didn't

867
00:41:22,550 --> 00:41:21,520
didn't work in that particular arena

868
00:41:24,069 --> 00:41:22,560
since

869
00:41:28,390 --> 00:41:24,079
now

870
00:41:31,430 --> 00:41:28,400
jumping to to here today

871
00:41:33,109 --> 00:41:31,440
there are people out there

872
00:41:35,109 --> 00:41:33,119
that are performing disinformation

873
00:41:35,990 --> 00:41:35,119
against the ufo community and i've known

874
00:41:41,349 --> 00:41:36,000
him

875
00:41:42,550 --> 00:41:41,359
some people listen to me some people

876
00:41:44,870 --> 00:41:42,560
don't

877
00:41:46,710 --> 00:41:44,880
but we have to be kept be really really

878
00:41:48,950 --> 00:41:46,720
careful i mean we

879
00:41:51,829 --> 00:41:48,960
i consider myself

880
00:41:53,670 --> 00:41:51,839
self still within the ufo community

881
00:41:56,790 --> 00:41:53,680
we have to be very careful of what

882
00:41:59,109 --> 00:41:56,800
people are saying now today

883
00:42:01,430 --> 00:41:59,119
about the ufo phenomena

884
00:42:04,790 --> 00:42:01,440
our uap phenomena

885
00:42:06,550 --> 00:42:04,800
and uh how that could harm

886
00:42:08,150 --> 00:42:06,560
uh future disclosure

887
00:42:11,670 --> 00:42:08,160
and i'm gonna we're we're obviously

888
00:42:14,870 --> 00:42:11,680
gonna talk about that uh in the show

889
00:42:16,870 --> 00:42:14,880
um let me ask you uh

890
00:42:17,670 --> 00:42:16,880
another direct question

891
00:42:22,710 --> 00:42:17,680
um

892
00:42:27,270 --> 00:42:25,270
i retired no from government service i

893
00:42:31,670 --> 00:42:27,280
retired in 1988.

894
00:42:33,990 --> 00:42:31,680
oh okay uh now i was in the reserves

895
00:42:36,470 --> 00:42:34,000
well you were in the reserves in 1894

896
00:42:37,829 --> 00:42:36,480
and yeah i did i was in the air force

897
00:42:39,670 --> 00:42:37,839
reserves

898
00:42:43,349 --> 00:42:39,680
uh up till

899
00:42:45,670 --> 00:42:43,359
94. okay my intelligence service ended

900
00:42:46,870 --> 00:42:45,680
in 88 in 88

901
00:42:47,829 --> 00:42:46,880
would

902
00:42:51,829 --> 00:42:47,839
could

903
00:42:56,230 --> 00:42:51,839
would have been like

904
00:42:58,390 --> 00:42:56,240
if you had social media in 1988

905
00:42:59,829 --> 00:42:58,400
oh wow

906
00:43:02,150 --> 00:42:59,839
um

907
00:43:04,630 --> 00:43:02,160
we could have manipulated

908
00:43:06,150 --> 00:43:04,640
uh we could have been sitting at a desk

909
00:43:07,750 --> 00:43:06,160
on a computer

910
00:43:09,910 --> 00:43:07,760
manipulating

911
00:43:12,150 --> 00:43:09,920
uh

912
00:43:14,390 --> 00:43:12,160
everyone we wanted to manipulate we

913
00:43:17,349 --> 00:43:14,400
could have been feeding so much

914
00:43:18,630 --> 00:43:17,359
misinformation through the social media

915
00:43:20,150 --> 00:43:18,640
network

916
00:43:23,349 --> 00:43:20,160
that um

917
00:43:25,589 --> 00:43:23,359
it would have changed people's thinking

918
00:43:28,390 --> 00:43:25,599
because i i know that you heard my

919
00:43:31,510 --> 00:43:28,400
comments opening up the show yes and if

920
00:43:34,150 --> 00:43:31,520
if we go back and and think about

921
00:43:36,230 --> 00:43:34,160
uh some of the you know pretty pretty

922
00:43:38,550 --> 00:43:36,240
monsters pretty huge uh dis info

923
00:43:41,190 --> 00:43:38,560
campaigns obviously project blue book

924
00:43:43,829 --> 00:43:41,200
imagine if project blue book was dealt

925
00:43:45,750 --> 00:43:43,839
with on social media holy crap right it

926
00:43:49,510 --> 00:43:45,760
would have been a totally different game

927
00:43:51,510 --> 00:43:49,520
uh the mj-12 documents if social media

928
00:43:55,829 --> 00:43:51,520
would have been around the internet was

929
00:43:57,109 --> 00:43:55,839
in its infancy uh back then uh for sure

930
00:43:59,829 --> 00:43:57,119
but it would have been a different game

931
00:44:02,710 --> 00:43:59,839
with social media project serpo

932
00:44:05,030 --> 00:44:02,720
which was um on the internet but there

933
00:44:08,630 --> 00:44:05,040
was no social media then that was a

934
00:44:09,510 --> 00:44:08,640
website so again it's effectiveness

935
00:44:10,470 --> 00:44:09,520
but

936
00:44:15,270 --> 00:44:10,480
the

937
00:44:16,230 --> 00:44:15,280
right with a roll of film in it

938
00:44:17,190 --> 00:44:16,240
um

939
00:44:21,430 --> 00:44:17,200
that

940
00:44:23,750 --> 00:44:21,440
band's concert right

941
00:44:24,950 --> 00:44:23,760
you're just you're hoping for the best

942
00:44:26,950 --> 00:44:24,960
right and

943
00:44:29,430 --> 00:44:26,960
it's it's a slow process

944
00:44:30,950 --> 00:44:29,440
but with social media today it's instant

945
00:44:33,670 --> 00:44:30,960
and certainly

946
00:44:34,829 --> 00:44:33,680
uh anybody in washington dc in the game

947
00:44:37,510 --> 00:44:34,839
understands

948
00:44:39,510 --> 00:44:37,520
this oh absolutely you know

949
00:44:41,510 --> 00:44:39,520
disinformation or misinformation or

950
00:44:44,390 --> 00:44:41,520
disinformation whatever you'll call it

951
00:44:46,950 --> 00:44:44,400
uh it's false information that

952
00:44:48,390 --> 00:44:46,960
tends to deceive something

953
00:44:50,950 --> 00:44:48,400
deceive

954
00:44:52,550 --> 00:44:50,960
an operation or to see people

955
00:44:56,390 --> 00:44:52,560
and um

956
00:44:58,550 --> 00:44:56,400
it's it it still goes on today it's a

957
00:45:01,990 --> 00:44:58,560
normally what we

958
00:45:04,069 --> 00:45:02,000
the main purpose of of disinformation

959
00:45:06,630 --> 00:45:04,079
a bit back in the days when i was taught

960
00:45:09,109 --> 00:45:06,640
went to we actually went to a classroom

961
00:45:10,550 --> 00:45:09,119
and taught how to uh to spread this

962
00:45:12,870 --> 00:45:10,560
information

963
00:45:14,550 --> 00:45:12,880
was to deceive the soviet union deceive

964
00:45:16,150 --> 00:45:14,560
our enemies

965
00:45:18,069 --> 00:45:16,160
but you can use it

966
00:45:19,270 --> 00:45:18,079
in any type of operation to deceive

967
00:45:21,349 --> 00:45:19,280
someone

968
00:45:24,550 --> 00:45:21,359
and just think about it

969
00:45:27,589 --> 00:45:24,560
it happens all the time in industry

970
00:45:29,829 --> 00:45:27,599
uh one particular uh

971
00:45:31,430 --> 00:45:29,839
company is trying to deceive

972
00:45:32,390 --> 00:45:31,440
trying to get up her hand on another

973
00:45:34,630 --> 00:45:32,400
company

974
00:45:36,790 --> 00:45:34,640
so they spread false information about

975
00:45:38,950 --> 00:45:36,800
the another person's product

976
00:45:42,630 --> 00:45:38,960
that's disinformation it happens all the

977
00:45:44,550 --> 00:45:42,640
time happens as a society it happens

978
00:45:46,630 --> 00:45:44,560
in the social

979
00:45:48,390 --> 00:45:46,640
structure of our society where one

980
00:45:50,390 --> 00:45:48,400
neighbor doesn't like another neighbor

981
00:45:53,430 --> 00:45:50,400
so he spreads false information about

982
00:45:56,230 --> 00:45:53,440
that lit neighbor i mean it's it's just

983
00:45:58,870 --> 00:45:56,240
it's just like that it it

984
00:46:01,990 --> 00:45:58,880
and it's always going to happen it's

985
00:46:04,309 --> 00:46:02,000
it's just how well you do it

986
00:46:07,750 --> 00:46:04,319
and i believe me uh during my time in

987
00:46:09,829 --> 00:46:07,760
from night in the late 70s up to the

988
00:46:11,270 --> 00:46:09,839
80s

989
00:46:13,990 --> 00:46:11,280
we were good at it

990
00:46:15,670 --> 00:46:14,000
we were very very very good at

991
00:46:17,670 --> 00:46:15,680
disinformation we call it

992
00:46:20,630 --> 00:46:17,680
counterintelligence operations

993
00:46:22,390 --> 00:46:20,640
to to protect special access programs uh

994
00:46:24,390 --> 00:46:22,400
and we were very very good at it and let

995
00:46:27,109 --> 00:46:24,400
me give you an example of what yeah

996
00:46:31,030 --> 00:46:27,119
please what we did what we did

997
00:46:33,430 --> 00:46:31,040
um when i worked out at area 51

998
00:46:35,910 --> 00:46:33,440
nellis testing training range

999
00:46:38,550 --> 00:46:35,920
most of most of that

1000
00:46:40,550 --> 00:46:38,560
area was in nye county

1001
00:46:44,790 --> 00:46:40,560
back in those days night count

1002
00:46:47,030 --> 00:46:44,800
prostitution was legal in ny county

1003
00:46:49,270 --> 00:46:47,040
so we were afraid that the people that

1004
00:46:50,309 --> 00:46:49,280
were working on classified projects and

1005
00:46:51,510 --> 00:46:50,319
believe me

1006
00:46:52,550 --> 00:46:51,520
there were

1007
00:46:54,470 --> 00:46:52,560
many

1008
00:46:56,870 --> 00:46:54,480
highly classified

1009
00:47:00,230 --> 00:46:56,880
programs and projects going on at

1010
00:47:02,069 --> 00:47:00,240
tonopah air base or area 51 or even a

1011
00:47:05,270 --> 00:47:02,079
nevada test site

1012
00:47:07,750 --> 00:47:05,280
so what we did was we went out

1013
00:47:09,829 --> 00:47:07,760
and we recruited every single prostitute

1014
00:47:12,950 --> 00:47:09,839
in nye county

1015
00:47:15,190 --> 00:47:12,960
basically every every every uh

1016
00:47:17,510 --> 00:47:15,200
prostitute in that county

1017
00:47:19,829 --> 00:47:17,520
and even esmeralda county which kind of

1018
00:47:22,390 --> 00:47:19,839
borders it

1019
00:47:24,069 --> 00:47:22,400
were under our control we paid them we

1020
00:47:27,670 --> 00:47:24,079
paid them more than they were getting

1021
00:47:29,990 --> 00:47:27,680
doing tricks because we were afraid

1022
00:47:31,990 --> 00:47:30,000
that military air force primarily air

1023
00:47:33,990 --> 00:47:32,000
force people would come in and be

1024
00:47:37,030 --> 00:47:34,000
serviced by him and believe me that

1025
00:47:39,910 --> 00:47:37,040
happened all the time sure about that

1026
00:47:41,190 --> 00:47:39,920
uh we didn't want the information that

1027
00:47:42,150 --> 00:47:41,200
they had

1028
00:47:45,109 --> 00:47:42,160
leaking

1029
00:47:46,630 --> 00:47:45,119
through them through the prostitutes

1030
00:47:49,030 --> 00:47:46,640
out to the public

1031
00:47:50,309 --> 00:47:49,040
so we owned them all

1032
00:47:53,750 --> 00:47:50,319
and uh

1033
00:47:55,829 --> 00:47:53,760
and we made some uh big uh uh

1034
00:47:58,630 --> 00:47:55,839
major operations uh

1035
00:48:00,790 --> 00:47:58,640
stopping the leak of information

1036
00:48:01,829 --> 00:48:00,800
uh classified information out of special

1037
00:48:03,750 --> 00:48:01,839
projects

1038
00:48:05,670 --> 00:48:03,760
from being leaked into the public by

1039
00:48:07,910 --> 00:48:05,680
disinformation so that's just one

1040
00:48:09,109 --> 00:48:07,920
example can i ask you a question i know

1041
00:48:11,190 --> 00:48:09,119
you're married

1042
00:48:13,589 --> 00:48:11,200
uh were you married then

1043
00:48:14,710 --> 00:48:13,599
no i was not married then oh so then you

1044
00:48:17,270 --> 00:48:14,720
could go

1045
00:48:19,430 --> 00:48:17,280
and and hang out with ladies of the

1046
00:48:22,790 --> 00:48:19,440
night

1047
00:48:24,549 --> 00:48:22,800
and and exchange cash and

1048
00:48:26,069 --> 00:48:24,559
and that's that sounds like a pretty

1049
00:48:26,870 --> 00:48:26,079
good uh uh

1050
00:48:29,589 --> 00:48:26,880
uh

1051
00:48:31,990 --> 00:48:29,599
a pretty fun gig

1052
00:48:33,510 --> 00:48:32,000
and and one that you could get away with

1053
00:48:35,510 --> 00:48:33,520
because you weren't married i cannot i

1054
00:48:38,230 --> 00:48:35,520
can just see you

1055
00:48:39,270 --> 00:48:38,240
at one of these brothels um uh doing

1056
00:48:41,349 --> 00:48:39,280
this how

1057
00:48:44,870 --> 00:48:41,359
when you're talking were you trying to

1058
00:48:47,430 --> 00:48:44,880
get information back out of these uh

1059
00:48:49,190 --> 00:48:47,440
women of ill repute these ladies of the

1060
00:48:50,549 --> 00:48:49,200
night to see if if somebody was talking

1061
00:48:52,870 --> 00:48:50,559
to them

1062
00:48:55,270 --> 00:48:52,880
well yes uh

1063
00:48:57,349 --> 00:48:55,280
what we did was we approached him and we

1064
00:48:58,309 --> 00:48:57,359
told him right up front

1065
00:48:59,990 --> 00:48:58,319
uh

1066
00:49:02,069 --> 00:49:00,000
you're gonna have tricks that are air

1067
00:49:03,829 --> 00:49:02,079
force or military people and they might

1068
00:49:05,430 --> 00:49:03,839
tell you some information that could be

1069
00:49:07,510 --> 00:49:05,440
classified

1070
00:49:09,190 --> 00:49:07,520
so we want to know about that and we're

1071
00:49:10,870 --> 00:49:09,200
going to pay you money

1072
00:49:13,190 --> 00:49:10,880
so sure enough

1073
00:49:15,349 --> 00:49:13,200
uh they'll call they'd call us not not

1074
00:49:16,790 --> 00:49:15,359
everyone i mean there were a lot of air

1075
00:49:19,109 --> 00:49:16,800
force people that went there and there

1076
00:49:21,910 --> 00:49:19,119
and did their thing and paid

1077
00:49:23,750 --> 00:49:21,920
paid their uh 30 or 40 dollars

1078
00:49:25,750 --> 00:49:23,760
for their pleasure and never said

1079
00:49:27,349 --> 00:49:25,760
anything or never disclosed anything but

1080
00:49:29,270 --> 00:49:27,359
there were a lot of them

1081
00:49:31,270 --> 00:49:29,280
that went in there and tried to impress

1082
00:49:33,030 --> 00:49:31,280
the prostitutes by saying

1083
00:49:35,910 --> 00:49:33,040
you know i'm working on this really

1084
00:49:38,150 --> 00:49:35,920
classified project out there and

1085
00:49:40,309 --> 00:49:38,160
and you know there's aliens out there

1086
00:49:42,790 --> 00:49:40,319
and and these things like that

1087
00:49:45,510 --> 00:49:42,800
wow so what they would do is they would

1088
00:49:46,950 --> 00:49:45,520
immediately contact us and and say

1089
00:49:48,790 --> 00:49:46,960
listen uh

1090
00:49:50,870 --> 00:49:48,800
we got it you know i had a trick that

1091
00:49:52,390 --> 00:49:50,880
told me some information

1092
00:49:53,990 --> 00:49:52,400
so then we had to go out there and it

1093
00:49:55,910 --> 00:49:54,000
wasn't just me there were a lot of other

1094
00:49:57,270 --> 00:49:55,920
agents involved in this and they were

1095
00:50:01,030 --> 00:49:57,280
going out there and they would talk to

1096
00:50:03,589 --> 00:50:01,040
to the to the prostitute and say well

1097
00:50:05,910 --> 00:50:03,599
you know he's just trying to impress you

1098
00:50:07,910 --> 00:50:05,920
none of that stuff is real

1099
00:50:10,630 --> 00:50:07,920
uh you know and and we would have to

1100
00:50:12,790 --> 00:50:10,640
give provide them with this information

1101
00:50:13,829 --> 00:50:12,800
and so and that's how it worked and we

1102
00:50:17,510 --> 00:50:13,839
actually

1103
00:50:20,230 --> 00:50:17,520
uh one air force pilot that was flying

1104
00:50:23,109 --> 00:50:20,240
back in those days in the early 80s

1105
00:50:25,270 --> 00:50:23,119
uh the f-117 stealth

1106
00:50:27,430 --> 00:50:25,280
aircraft was uh

1107
00:50:29,750 --> 00:50:27,440
was being tested out there and it's

1108
00:50:31,270 --> 00:50:29,760
highly classified back then this pilot

1109
00:50:32,950 --> 00:50:31,280
went in and told

1110
00:50:36,150 --> 00:50:32,960
his prostitute

1111
00:50:38,150 --> 00:50:36,160
that he was flying this

1112
00:50:39,750 --> 00:50:38,160
really super secret plane called the

1113
00:50:41,750 --> 00:50:39,760
f-119

1114
00:50:44,230 --> 00:50:41,760
not the f-117

1115
00:50:46,150 --> 00:50:44,240
and he told he told him that

1116
00:50:48,710 --> 00:50:46,160
he told his prostitute that

1117
00:50:50,470 --> 00:50:48,720
all the technology was from the aliens

1118
00:50:53,510 --> 00:50:50,480
that gave it to us

1119
00:50:55,349 --> 00:50:53,520
so uh they you know we had to really

1120
00:50:59,750 --> 00:50:55,359
really press this

1121
00:51:02,309 --> 00:50:59,760
particular prostitute and we ended up

1122
00:51:03,750 --> 00:51:02,319
finding the of course finding the air

1123
00:51:06,309 --> 00:51:03,760
force captain

1124
00:51:08,390 --> 00:51:06,319
kicking him out of the program

1125
00:51:09,430 --> 00:51:08,400
and kicking him out of the air force so

1126
00:51:13,589 --> 00:51:09,440
wow

1127
00:51:16,230 --> 00:51:13,599
yeah i i i can i can hear it now

1128
00:51:18,790 --> 00:51:16,240
dodie sure is spending a lot of time out

1129
00:51:20,390 --> 00:51:18,800
at mary's fun palace

1130
00:51:29,349 --> 00:51:20,400
county

1131
00:51:35,190 --> 00:51:32,710
okay so is there a certain amount of you

1132
00:51:36,870 --> 00:51:35,200
know going back to social media today

1133
00:51:38,150 --> 00:51:36,880
and the way that you did things in the

1134
00:51:40,069 --> 00:51:38,160
past

1135
00:51:42,950 --> 00:51:40,079
is there

1136
00:51:44,790 --> 00:51:42,960
some elements of truth

1137
00:51:46,950 --> 00:51:44,800
in with the misinformation and

1138
00:51:48,309 --> 00:51:46,960
disinformation

1139
00:51:49,349 --> 00:51:48,319
to to

1140
00:51:50,790 --> 00:51:49,359
keep it

1141
00:51:51,750 --> 00:51:50,800
feeling real

1142
00:51:54,390 --> 00:51:51,760
yes

1143
00:51:56,710 --> 00:51:54,400
you have to provide some real

1144
00:51:58,470 --> 00:51:56,720
information in order for

1145
00:52:01,589 --> 00:51:58,480
your target to believe it

1146
00:52:03,430 --> 00:52:01,599
and and it may be just a little bit

1147
00:52:06,950 --> 00:52:03,440
or it may be a lot

1148
00:52:08,390 --> 00:52:06,960
to in in order for them to buy into it

1149
00:52:10,069 --> 00:52:08,400
and um

1150
00:52:11,750 --> 00:52:10,079
and then and then you have you have

1151
00:52:13,829 --> 00:52:11,760
people that are very smart that you're

1152
00:52:16,150 --> 00:52:13,839
dealing with such as linda howell i mean

1153
00:52:17,270 --> 00:52:16,160
i okay i was going to bring that up okay

1154
00:52:19,430 --> 00:52:17,280
so

1155
00:52:21,109 --> 00:52:19,440
many may not know what we're about to

1156
00:52:21,990 --> 00:52:21,119
talk about so i'm just going to give a

1157
00:52:23,349 --> 00:52:22,000
brief

1158
00:52:24,870 --> 00:52:23,359
uh summary

1159
00:52:25,829 --> 00:52:24,880
um and

1160
00:52:28,470 --> 00:52:25,839
uh

1161
00:52:30,630 --> 00:52:28,480
i've got to disclose i've spoken to

1162
00:52:33,589 --> 00:52:30,640
linda at length about this privately

1163
00:52:35,829 --> 00:52:33,599
i've spoken to rick about this at length

1164
00:52:38,950 --> 00:52:35,839
privately i've gotten both sides of the

1165
00:52:41,990 --> 00:52:38,960
story i'm going to say that 90 of it

1166
00:52:43,190 --> 00:52:42,000
completely interlocks okay all right and

1167
00:52:44,630 --> 00:52:43,200
so

1168
00:52:45,510 --> 00:52:44,640
basically

1169
00:52:46,390 --> 00:52:45,520
uh

1170
00:52:48,950 --> 00:52:46,400
linda

1171
00:52:50,790 --> 00:52:48,960
was invited out to kirkland

1172
00:52:53,190 --> 00:52:50,800
and was promised uh she was in the

1173
00:52:54,710 --> 00:52:53,200
middle of this hbo documentary that uh

1174
00:52:56,230 --> 00:52:54,720
was in the works and it was in

1175
00:52:58,950 --> 00:52:56,240
pre-production

1176
00:53:00,710 --> 00:52:58,960
um there was some

1177
00:53:02,390 --> 00:53:00,720
the white house was uh

1178
00:53:04,470 --> 00:53:02,400
she was trying to get the i think that

1179
00:53:06,230 --> 00:53:04,480
hbo wanted the white house involved and

1180
00:53:08,069 --> 00:53:06,240
and the president involved

1181
00:53:09,990 --> 00:53:08,079
and so

1182
00:53:12,230 --> 00:53:10,000
with all of this

1183
00:53:16,069 --> 00:53:12,240
she's invited out to kirkland she is

1184
00:53:17,829 --> 00:53:16,079
going to be presented some documents

1185
00:53:20,630 --> 00:53:17,839
and she

1186
00:53:23,190 --> 00:53:20,640
uh goes into your office

1187
00:53:25,109 --> 00:53:23,200
um you had a mirror

1188
00:53:27,270 --> 00:53:25,119
you were videotaping i think she even

1189
00:53:29,510 --> 00:53:27,280
saw a camera above her i think she said

1190
00:53:31,829 --> 00:53:29,520
that there was a camera in the room um

1191
00:53:33,349 --> 00:53:31,839
and you told her that she could read the

1192
00:53:35,430 --> 00:53:33,359
documents but she couldn't take them

1193
00:53:36,309 --> 00:53:35,440
with her right now

1194
00:53:41,510 --> 00:53:36,319
um

1195
00:53:44,470 --> 00:53:41,520
let's go back to

1196
00:53:46,549 --> 00:53:44,480
the contents of those documents

1197
00:53:48,870 --> 00:53:46,559
with some of it

1198
00:53:51,349 --> 00:53:48,880
facts

1199
00:53:53,190 --> 00:53:51,359
with disinformation as a matter of fact

1200
00:53:55,109 --> 00:53:53,200
disinformation misinformation two

1201
00:53:56,950 --> 00:53:55,119
different definitions

1202
00:53:58,309 --> 00:53:56,960
we'll circle back to that for some

1203
00:53:59,910 --> 00:53:58,319
clarification

1204
00:54:02,549 --> 00:53:59,920
but uh

1205
00:54:05,750 --> 00:54:02,559
what was the purpose of showing

1206
00:54:07,670 --> 00:54:05,760
linda these docs uh was it to

1207
00:54:09,990 --> 00:54:07,680
find her sources

1208
00:54:11,430 --> 00:54:10,000
uh was it was there something else

1209
00:54:14,790 --> 00:54:11,440
involved there that

1210
00:54:18,549 --> 00:54:14,800
had nothing to do with ufos

1211
00:54:20,549 --> 00:54:18,559
we needed to find our sources we knew uh

1212
00:54:23,030 --> 00:54:20,559
i got involved in this

1213
00:54:26,790 --> 00:54:23,040
late i mean there were other

1214
00:54:29,829 --> 00:54:26,800
agencies involved in this operation

1215
00:54:30,870 --> 00:54:29,839
we knew that she was coming to

1216
00:54:32,630 --> 00:54:30,880
and i'm not going to go into great

1217
00:54:34,230 --> 00:54:32,640
details of how we knew all this stuff

1218
00:54:36,549 --> 00:54:34,240
but we knew

1219
00:54:38,950 --> 00:54:36,559
what she was doing okay we knew

1220
00:54:41,270 --> 00:54:38,960
where she was going we knew

1221
00:54:43,030 --> 00:54:41,280
who she was talking to

1222
00:54:45,190 --> 00:54:43,040
for the most part and we knew she was

1223
00:54:48,950 --> 00:54:45,200
coming to albuquerque

1224
00:54:49,990 --> 00:54:48,960
and so she was invited by me

1225
00:54:51,990 --> 00:54:50,000
through

1226
00:54:53,430 --> 00:54:52,000
jerry miller

1227
00:54:55,270 --> 00:54:53,440
um

1228
00:54:56,870 --> 00:54:55,280
who worked with me

1229
00:54:58,950 --> 00:54:56,880
to the base

1230
00:55:00,710 --> 00:54:58,960
and i was going to talk to her and show

1231
00:55:04,150 --> 00:55:00,720
her something

1232
00:55:06,390 --> 00:55:04,160
that would help her in her with her ub

1233
00:55:08,630 --> 00:55:06,400
hbo special

1234
00:55:10,870 --> 00:55:08,640
so so she came out to the base and like

1235
00:55:13,190 --> 00:55:10,880
you said she was in a room

1236
00:55:15,349 --> 00:55:13,200
uh two way mirror there were agents on

1237
00:55:17,430 --> 00:55:15,359
the other side filming her plus there

1238
00:55:18,710 --> 00:55:17,440
was a camera inside we had a microphone

1239
00:55:21,750 --> 00:55:18,720
in there too

1240
00:55:24,230 --> 00:55:21,760
she was fully aware that we were filming

1241
00:55:25,670 --> 00:55:24,240
you know at one point years ago she said

1242
00:55:27,829 --> 00:55:25,680
she didn't but

1243
00:55:29,750 --> 00:55:27,839
she's smart she told me now she told me

1244
00:55:31,910 --> 00:55:29,760
she looked up and saw a camera like

1245
00:55:33,990 --> 00:55:31,920
above the door and she was sitting in

1246
00:55:35,589 --> 00:55:34,000
the middle of the room your desk was on

1247
00:55:37,349 --> 00:55:35,599
one end right right

1248
00:55:39,510 --> 00:55:37,359
okay yeah that's the way that she

1249
00:55:42,950 --> 00:55:39,520
presented that with me and she said that

1250
00:55:44,150 --> 00:55:42,960
the chair was awkwardly placed right

1251
00:55:46,390 --> 00:55:44,160
right because

1252
00:55:50,069 --> 00:55:46,400
we had to get her right in front of the

1253
00:55:53,349 --> 00:55:51,910
anyways uh

1254
00:55:55,430 --> 00:55:53,359
now

1255
00:55:57,589 --> 00:55:55,440
the day before

1256
00:55:58,950 --> 00:55:57,599
these documents came in

1257
00:56:01,829 --> 00:55:58,960
through a pouch

1258
00:56:03,510 --> 00:56:01,839
uh armed forces carrier pouch so i knew

1259
00:56:05,510 --> 00:56:03,520
they were top secret

1260
00:56:06,549 --> 00:56:05,520
from headquarters

1261
00:56:08,470 --> 00:56:06,559
now

1262
00:56:11,030 --> 00:56:08,480
uh and i was told

1263
00:56:13,270 --> 00:56:11,040
the pro the the operation was to show

1264
00:56:14,950 --> 00:56:13,280
her these documents she couldn't take

1265
00:56:16,630 --> 00:56:14,960
any notes

1266
00:56:17,829 --> 00:56:16,640
and she couldn't keep anything she

1267
00:56:18,950 --> 00:56:17,839
couldn't take any photographs of

1268
00:56:19,990 --> 00:56:18,960
anything

1269
00:56:21,990 --> 00:56:20,000
so

1270
00:56:25,190 --> 00:56:22,000
i had a chance

1271
00:56:26,710 --> 00:56:25,200
prior to showing them to her

1272
00:56:27,910 --> 00:56:26,720
to read them

1273
00:56:29,670 --> 00:56:27,920
now

1274
00:56:32,470 --> 00:56:29,680
i'm the middle guy

1275
00:56:33,589 --> 00:56:32,480
now i'm not you gotta understand that i

1276
00:56:35,750 --> 00:56:33,599
didn't know

1277
00:56:37,750 --> 00:56:35,760
what headquarters knew

1278
00:56:39,430 --> 00:56:37,760
i was this is what i was told to do and

1279
00:56:41,750 --> 00:56:39,440
i did what i was told to do

1280
00:56:43,750 --> 00:56:41,760
i gave him to her she read him

1281
00:56:44,390 --> 00:56:43,760
she started asking me questions about

1282
00:56:46,069 --> 00:56:44,400
them

1283
00:56:47,829 --> 00:56:46,079
some of the questions i could answer

1284
00:56:48,630 --> 00:56:47,839
some of them i couldn't

1285
00:56:51,430 --> 00:56:48,640
now

1286
00:56:53,829 --> 00:56:51,440
what we were hoping that

1287
00:56:55,670 --> 00:56:53,839
after reading these documents which i

1288
00:56:57,910 --> 00:56:55,680
know that some of the information in

1289
00:57:01,190 --> 00:56:57,920
there was accurate but a lot of the

1290
00:57:02,950 --> 00:57:01,200
information in there wasn't accurate

1291
00:57:05,589 --> 00:57:02,960
what we were hoping

1292
00:57:08,069 --> 00:57:05,599
was she'd come around to our side

1293
00:57:09,670 --> 00:57:08,079
because she had two sources within the

1294
00:57:10,789 --> 00:57:09,680
government that was providing her

1295
00:57:12,069 --> 00:57:10,799
information

1296
00:57:14,630 --> 00:57:12,079
that was of

1297
00:57:16,789 --> 00:57:14,640
of of classified uh me

1298
00:57:18,230 --> 00:57:16,799
it was classified information

1299
00:57:20,549 --> 00:57:18,240
so we wanted to know who those people

1300
00:57:22,870 --> 00:57:20,559
were and that was the basis of of our

1301
00:57:23,990 --> 00:57:22,880
operation against linda howell

1302
00:57:27,109 --> 00:57:24,000
so

1303
00:57:28,069 --> 00:57:27,119
after i showed her those um i said to

1304
00:57:29,990 --> 00:57:28,079
her

1305
00:57:32,309 --> 00:57:30,000
listen uh

1306
00:57:33,910 --> 00:57:32,319
i'd like to get to know you like you

1307
00:57:36,230 --> 00:57:33,920
know what you're doing as far as

1308
00:57:38,230 --> 00:57:36,240
programming and so forth and she said

1309
00:57:40,789 --> 00:57:38,240
sure you know

1310
00:57:42,470 --> 00:57:40,799
you never had too many friends so i kept

1311
00:57:44,230 --> 00:57:42,480
the friendship with her

1312
00:57:46,150 --> 00:57:44,240
uh trying to

1313
00:57:47,270 --> 00:57:46,160
delve into this i'm better in washington

1314
00:57:49,030 --> 00:57:47,280
dc

1315
00:57:50,069 --> 00:57:49,040
i've met her in and met her in new york

1316
00:57:55,349 --> 00:57:50,079
city

1317
00:58:01,430 --> 00:57:57,829
first of all linda howe very brilliant

1318
00:58:04,789 --> 00:58:01,440
person very very brilliant

1319
00:58:06,710 --> 00:58:04,799
and she knew what i was trying to do

1320
00:58:10,150 --> 00:58:06,720
and she wasn't going to run with it in

1321
00:58:11,910 --> 00:58:10,160
fact we were having we were in um

1322
00:58:13,510 --> 00:58:11,920
georgetown

1323
00:58:15,589 --> 00:58:13,520
at a cafe

1324
00:58:18,950 --> 00:58:15,599
uh having lunch

1325
00:58:21,190 --> 00:58:18,960
and i i pitched her i i i did the

1326
00:58:23,190 --> 00:58:21,200
pitching by saying listen

1327
00:58:25,589 --> 00:58:23,200
what i want you to do

1328
00:58:27,270 --> 00:58:25,599
is work for us

1329
00:58:30,309 --> 00:58:27,280
we'll pay you

1330
00:58:31,990 --> 00:58:30,319
you just tell me what you know

1331
00:58:32,950 --> 00:58:32,000
and she just sat there and listened to

1332
00:58:36,470 --> 00:58:32,960
me for

1333
00:58:39,349 --> 00:58:36,480
some time and she said

1334
00:58:41,109 --> 00:58:39,359
not no but hell no

1335
00:58:42,230 --> 00:58:41,119
in a play way

1336
00:58:43,349 --> 00:58:42,240
anyways

1337
00:58:45,270 --> 00:58:43,359
um

1338
00:58:47,990 --> 00:58:45,280
she was a tough cookie to

1339
00:58:49,910 --> 00:58:48,000
to crack anyways i maintained contact

1340
00:58:51,910 --> 00:58:49,920
with her for some time and then another

1341
00:58:53,670 --> 00:58:51,920
agent became involved

1342
00:58:57,030 --> 00:58:53,680
with that operation

1343
00:58:59,270 --> 00:58:57,040
but uh that's that's how it went and and

1344
00:59:01,670 --> 00:58:59,280
we actually accomplished one of the

1345
00:59:03,430 --> 00:59:01,680
missions was to uh

1346
00:59:04,390 --> 00:59:03,440
end the hbo

1347
00:59:06,789 --> 00:59:04,400
uh

1348
00:59:08,309 --> 00:59:06,799
that special because

1349
00:59:10,230 --> 00:59:08,319
they were going to air something that we

1350
00:59:12,470 --> 00:59:10,240
didn't want that the government didn't

1351
00:59:15,510 --> 00:59:12,480
want us intelligence didn't want and we

1352
00:59:16,630 --> 00:59:15,520
were capable well we were able to

1353
00:59:19,190 --> 00:59:16,640
uh

1354
00:59:20,390 --> 00:59:19,200
end that and so part of our mission was

1355
00:59:22,710 --> 00:59:20,400
successful

1356
00:59:25,270 --> 00:59:22,720
let's take our break right here and when

1357
00:59:27,190 --> 00:59:25,280
we come back there's a reason why uh

1358
00:59:28,150 --> 00:59:27,200
rick shared that with us

1359
00:59:29,589 --> 00:59:28,160
and

1360
00:59:32,630 --> 00:59:29,599
in in

1361
00:59:34,230 --> 00:59:32,640
in today's world in social media

1362
00:59:39,349 --> 00:59:34,240
by leaking

1363
00:59:41,670 --> 00:59:39,359
or presenting information to individuals

1364
00:59:44,710 --> 00:59:41,680
will they turn around and

1365
00:59:46,470 --> 00:59:44,720
and post it on social media and that

1366
00:59:50,230 --> 00:59:46,480
that is a very

1367
00:59:53,589 --> 00:59:50,240
very uh effective tool to see who's

1368
00:59:55,589 --> 00:59:53,599
talking and who is not and how you can

1369
00:59:57,190 --> 00:59:55,599
turn around and get the conversation

1370
00:59:58,789 --> 00:59:57,200
going when you need it we're going to

1371
01:00:00,789 --> 00:59:58,799
talk more about that when we come back

1372
01:00:02,870 --> 01:00:00,799
after this short break our guest tonight

1373
01:00:06,470 --> 01:00:02,880
rick dodi we're talking about miss info

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01:00:07,829 --> 01:00:06,480
dis info in ufology and our ufo

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01:00:08,870 --> 01:00:07,839
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01:00:12,390 --> 01:00:08,880
more

1377
01:00:14,549 --> 01:00:12,400
after this short break i'm real shimmy

1378
01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:14,559
church this is fade to black stay with

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01:00:41,990 --> 01:00:17,290
us

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01:00:47,680 --> 01:00:44,230
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01:00:49,190 --> 01:00:47,690
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because you never got that pony you

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always wanted

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damn it

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01:02:48,870 --> 01:02:46,000
jimmy church and fade to black on the

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game changer network

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listen i know and you know that you've

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01:02:56,710 --> 01:02:54,480
always wanted your first crystal skull

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or maybe you're a collector just like me

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but you just don't know where to go to

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find the real thing

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then i met carolyn ford over at einstein

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the crystalskull.com

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carolyn is the guardian of einstein one

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of the most respected ancient crystal

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skulls in the world all of her unique

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skulls have been imprinted sitting with

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einstein in his sacred lodge and are

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carved from the finest gemstone and

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materials imprinting is the process of

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receiving the ancient wisdom from the

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master skull or master computer einstein

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the ancient crystal skull to see

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carolyn's current collection of crystal

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skulls just visit her store at einstein

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the crystal skull dot com click on the

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banner over on our site don't forget to

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that's promo code jimmy finding your

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first or next crystal skull is easy just

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[Music]

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hi this is race hobbes here repping the

1457
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planet and you're listening to my good

1458
01:04:10,870 --> 01:04:08,720
friend jimmy church fade to black

1459
01:04:12,950 --> 01:04:10,880
this is toby kebble you're listening to

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01:04:15,990 --> 01:04:12,960
jimmy jimmychurchradio.com

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01:04:18,230 --> 01:04:16,000
don't hurt me jimmy i'm only little hey

1462
01:04:21,120 --> 01:04:18,240
i'm adrian grenier and this is ari gold

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we're the honey brothers

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01:04:25,829 --> 01:04:23,520
[Music]

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01:04:27,510 --> 01:04:25,839
hey i'm adrian grenier and i'm ari gold

1466
01:04:29,750 --> 01:04:27,520
we're the honey brothers

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and you're listening to jimmy church a

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01:04:32,950 --> 01:04:31,280
revolution

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this is jimmy church of fade to black

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and you can become an official fate or

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01:04:41,510 --> 01:04:37,280
not by just going to our membership

1472
01:04:45,910 --> 01:04:43,589
hello this is serena wright taylor from

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01:04:48,230 --> 01:04:45,920
conscious life expo and you're listening

1474
01:04:50,630 --> 01:04:48,240
to fade to black with jimmy church who

1475
01:04:53,829 --> 01:04:50,640
holds the lucky pony record for the best

1476
01:04:56,069 --> 01:04:53,839
astrological chart since

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01:04:57,750 --> 01:04:56,079
true story

1478
01:04:59,349 --> 01:04:57,760
this is micah hanks of the ghrelian

1479
01:05:08,160 --> 01:04:59,359
report and you're listening to jimmy

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01:05:23,430 --> 01:05:17,810
[Music]

1481
01:05:25,029 --> 01:05:23,440
welcome back fate to black how many of

1482
01:05:26,870 --> 01:05:25,039
us jimmy church tonight rick doty is

1483
01:05:29,270 --> 01:05:26,880
with us for talking about misinformation

1484
01:05:33,109 --> 01:05:29,280
and disinformation in

1485
01:05:35,589 --> 01:05:33,119
the ufo community and ufology in general

1486
01:05:38,150 --> 01:05:35,599
uh listening to the break there uh with

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01:05:40,069 --> 01:05:38,160
a micah hanks i just spent the weekend

1488
01:05:43,190 --> 01:05:40,079
uh with micah i haven't had that much

1489
01:05:45,589 --> 01:05:43,200
fun i haven't laughed that hard

1490
01:05:48,150 --> 01:05:45,599
uh in a very long time my ganks is

1491
01:05:51,349 --> 01:05:48,160
amazing and and more on what we were

1492
01:05:53,349 --> 01:05:51,359
doing coming up here very soon and and

1493
01:05:54,789 --> 01:05:53,359
we'll have full disclosure on that hey

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01:05:57,029 --> 01:05:54,799
rick um

1495
01:05:58,630 --> 01:05:57,039
let's get into some definitions real

1496
01:05:59,510 --> 01:05:58,640
quick as we get to the meat of the

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01:06:01,750 --> 01:05:59,520
matter

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01:06:03,109 --> 01:06:01,760
uh what's going on today uh

1499
01:06:05,349 --> 01:06:03,119
what's the difference between

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01:06:06,950 --> 01:06:05,359
misinformation and disinformation let's

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01:06:09,990 --> 01:06:06,960
go to alphabetical order what is

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01:06:11,510 --> 01:06:10,000
disinformation disinformation is false

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01:06:14,470 --> 01:06:11,520
information

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01:06:17,349 --> 01:06:14,480
provided to deceive

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01:06:19,910 --> 01:06:17,359
some someone something some entity some

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01:06:24,309 --> 01:06:22,950
misinformation is the actual information

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01:06:26,789 --> 01:06:24,319
that is given

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01:06:28,789 --> 01:06:26,799
that's going to be misinformation rather

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01:06:30,470 --> 01:06:28,799
than

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01:06:32,630 --> 01:06:30,480
the actual

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01:06:33,990 --> 01:06:32,640
bread and butter we're going to change

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01:06:34,870 --> 01:06:34,000
it around

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01:06:37,029 --> 01:06:34,880
so

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01:06:39,190 --> 01:06:37,039
uh it's given right to

1515
01:06:41,430 --> 01:06:39,200
uh misinformation is normally given to a

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01:06:43,910 --> 01:06:41,440
person this information is part of an

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01:06:45,430 --> 01:06:43,920
operation oh i got you oh that's a big

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01:06:46,870 --> 01:06:45,440
difference okay

1519
01:06:49,109 --> 01:06:46,880
misinformation would be like the

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01:06:52,069 --> 01:06:49,119
document or what is verbally said yes

1521
01:06:55,750 --> 01:06:52,079
yes exactly and disinformation is the

1522
01:06:56,950 --> 01:06:55,760
agenda all right okay got you got you

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01:06:58,390 --> 01:06:56,960
um

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01:06:59,430 --> 01:06:58,400
i have

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01:07:01,430 --> 01:06:59,440
uh

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01:07:05,430 --> 01:07:01,440
i have

1527
01:07:07,910 --> 01:07:05,440
i got to be very careful on how i'm i'm

1528
01:07:10,630 --> 01:07:07,920
i'm wording this i have been told lots

1529
01:07:12,309 --> 01:07:10,640
of things over the years of course okay

1530
01:07:15,589 --> 01:07:12,319
all right i have lots of people approach

1531
01:07:17,750 --> 01:07:15,599
me and i have relationships out there

1532
01:07:19,670 --> 01:07:17,760
but i

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01:07:21,430 --> 01:07:19,680
don't share it

1534
01:07:22,710 --> 01:07:21,440
i keep it all inside i don't talk to

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01:07:24,470 --> 01:07:22,720
people about it

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01:07:26,549 --> 01:07:24,480
i don't i don't get on the phone and go

1537
01:07:29,190 --> 01:07:26,559
guess what i you know i don't do that i

1538
01:07:29,990 --> 01:07:29,200
and i don't speak about it on the air

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01:07:31,589 --> 01:07:30,000
um

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01:07:34,710 --> 01:07:31,599
and

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01:07:37,589 --> 01:07:34,720
things

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01:07:41,349 --> 01:07:37,599
that have happened because of that one

1543
01:07:43,910 --> 01:07:41,359
um if anybody is attempting to

1544
01:07:46,309 --> 01:07:43,920
use a disinformation campaign or give

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01:07:48,150 --> 01:07:46,319
misinformation to me

1546
01:07:49,750 --> 01:07:48,160
it doesn't work because i don't turn

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01:07:52,549 --> 01:07:49,760
around and share it

1548
01:07:55,029 --> 01:07:52,559
but there's a second thing that has

1549
01:07:57,190 --> 01:07:55,039
resulted from this

1550
01:07:59,510 --> 01:07:57,200
i observe

1551
01:08:01,670 --> 01:07:59,520
right so i know what i'm told

1552
01:08:02,630 --> 01:08:01,680
so i listen to what other people are

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01:08:06,549 --> 01:08:02,640
saying

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01:08:10,069 --> 01:08:06,559
and i read what other people are posting

1555
01:08:11,829 --> 01:08:10,079
and i see if it is also out there

1556
01:08:15,190 --> 01:08:11,839
because i know

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01:08:17,189 --> 01:08:15,200
what i was told allegedly you know in

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01:08:19,269 --> 01:08:17,199
in in confidence

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01:08:21,430 --> 01:08:19,279
right and that it's it's it's getting

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out there in other areas and sometimes

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it's

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even changed a little bit

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and and so i look back with squinty eyes

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and i go okay

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01:08:33,990 --> 01:08:32,000
all right there's something going on

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here but i don't talk about it and i

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don't i don't want to be

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a part of the story but i will certainly

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observe

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01:08:48,229 --> 01:08:42,880
um and and that's the case and i watch

1571
01:08:53,590 --> 01:08:50,470
oh yes

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01:08:56,789 --> 01:08:53,600
you know the social media

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01:08:58,950 --> 01:08:56,799
today is something i wish we had would

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01:09:00,870 --> 01:08:58,960
have had years ago

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01:09:04,149 --> 01:09:00,880
but

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social media is a public forum

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01:09:09,269 --> 01:09:06,880
that means anyone

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can access it

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and

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of course that means

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government entities

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such as

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air force intelligence

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01:09:21,349 --> 01:09:19,679
dia cia

1585
01:09:23,269 --> 01:09:21,359
fbi

1586
01:09:25,669 --> 01:09:23,279
dea

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01:09:30,390 --> 01:09:28,789
the social media open up opens up a wide

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range

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of access into the public

1590
01:09:39,110 --> 01:09:35,440
itself

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01:09:43,749 --> 01:09:39,120
and the government is taking advantage

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01:09:49,030 --> 01:09:45,349
twitter

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01:09:50,630 --> 01:09:49,040
so forth and so on so

1594
01:09:52,309 --> 01:09:50,640
it's easy

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01:09:56,149 --> 01:09:52,319
to post something on

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01:09:57,910 --> 01:09:56,159
in some chat room or on facebook

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01:09:58,709 --> 01:09:57,920
or on uh

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01:10:04,310 --> 01:09:58,719
uh

1599
01:10:07,510 --> 01:10:05,910
meaning

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01:10:09,030 --> 01:10:07,520
the united states air force isn't going

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01:10:11,590 --> 01:10:09,040
to post it

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01:10:13,510 --> 01:10:11,600
but somebody within air force

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01:10:16,390 --> 01:10:13,520
intelligence is going to contact

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01:10:19,590 --> 01:10:16,400
contract somebody else who will contact

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01:10:22,470 --> 01:10:19,600
the third person that will post it

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01:10:24,390 --> 01:10:22,480
so it can't come back to us intelligence

1607
01:10:27,510 --> 01:10:24,400
and then they're going to

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01:10:31,270 --> 01:10:27,520
watch what happens with that information

1609
01:10:35,910 --> 01:10:31,280
i've seen it on twitter in the last

1610
01:10:38,630 --> 01:10:35,920
ufo uap information uap people wanting

1611
01:10:39,590 --> 01:10:38,640
us to believe something about the uap

1612
01:10:42,550 --> 01:10:39,600
program

1613
01:10:46,630 --> 01:10:42,560
they post something about lou elizondo

1614
01:10:48,390 --> 01:10:46,640
or chris mellons or me or somebody else

1615
01:10:49,910 --> 01:10:48,400
and then they want it and they see how

1616
01:10:52,630 --> 01:10:49,920
far it runs

1617
01:10:54,790 --> 01:10:52,640
so it it's happening

1618
01:10:55,669 --> 01:10:54,800
it's happening it's happened for ever

1619
01:10:57,750 --> 01:10:55,679
since

1620
01:10:59,830 --> 01:10:57,760
uh social media has been

1621
01:11:01,030 --> 01:10:59,840
in existence

1622
01:11:03,590 --> 01:11:01,040
now

1623
01:11:05,990 --> 01:11:03,600
will that change people's minds yes it

1624
01:11:09,110 --> 01:11:06,000
will change people's minds

1625
01:11:10,709 --> 01:11:09,120
it will it will bring people in or push

1626
01:11:13,430 --> 01:11:10,719
people out

1627
01:11:14,310 --> 01:11:13,440
and that's what somebody

1628
01:11:15,750 --> 01:11:14,320
wants

1629
01:11:17,510 --> 01:11:15,760
they they want

1630
01:11:19,110 --> 01:11:17,520
and maybe maybe the government and i

1631
01:11:20,550 --> 01:11:19,120
don't know this for a fact i know people

1632
01:11:22,310 --> 01:11:20,560
are going to say well maybe i'm still on

1633
01:11:24,550 --> 01:11:22,320
the government i'm not

1634
01:11:27,910 --> 01:11:24,560
uh i have a group of people that i'm

1635
01:11:28,790 --> 01:11:27,920
working with uh and where i'm at right

1636
01:11:31,669 --> 01:11:28,800
now

1637
01:11:34,070 --> 01:11:31,679
actually uh jimmy i'm gonna disclose

1638
01:11:35,750 --> 01:11:34,080
that i moved from one place that i was

1639
01:11:38,149 --> 01:11:35,760
talking to you about yesterday to

1640
01:11:39,990 --> 01:11:38,159
another location closer to you so i'm

1641
01:11:42,709 --> 01:11:40,000
actually in the same time zone of you

1642
01:11:44,149 --> 01:11:42,719
with some people uh having meetings

1643
01:11:45,350 --> 01:11:44,159
about some other things that we're

1644
01:11:48,550 --> 01:11:45,360
trying to do

1645
01:11:51,910 --> 01:11:48,560
including a u.s senator uh so

1646
01:11:53,030 --> 01:11:51,920
we're we're one side of this disclosure

1647
01:11:55,669 --> 01:11:53,040
chris

1648
01:11:58,229 --> 01:11:55,679
and lou is on another team trying to get

1649
01:12:00,550 --> 01:11:58,239
this disclosure i'm not involved with

1650
01:12:03,110 --> 01:12:00,560
them and they're not involved with uh

1651
01:12:04,149 --> 01:12:03,120
with us so i can tell you right now that

1652
01:12:07,189 --> 01:12:04,159
i'm not

1653
01:12:09,669 --> 01:12:07,199
aligned with louis alizando or chris

1654
01:12:12,709 --> 01:12:09,679
mullins they have their own agenda i was

1655
01:12:15,189 --> 01:12:12,719
invited into their group as as some of

1656
01:12:17,669 --> 01:12:15,199
the other other people have that that

1657
01:12:20,149 --> 01:12:17,679
i'm working with but we've politely said

1658
01:12:21,350 --> 01:12:20,159
no we're gonna we're gonna do it in a

1659
01:12:23,590 --> 01:12:21,360
different way

1660
01:12:26,149 --> 01:12:23,600
and want want disclosure out there we

1661
01:12:27,669 --> 01:12:26,159
want disclosure

1662
01:12:30,070 --> 01:12:27,679
but there are entities within the

1663
01:12:31,669 --> 01:12:30,080
government that do not want disclosure

1664
01:12:35,270 --> 01:12:31,679
and one of them is the united states

1665
01:12:36,709 --> 01:12:35,280
space force they do not want the colonel

1666
01:12:38,950 --> 01:12:36,719
if people have

1667
01:12:39,990 --> 01:12:38,960
looked at youtube in the last several

1668
01:12:41,669 --> 01:12:40,000
months

1669
01:12:45,430 --> 01:12:41,679
during one of his interviews one of the

1670
01:12:48,390 --> 01:12:45,440
colonels at uh colorado springs and air

1671
01:12:51,669 --> 01:12:48,400
force base specifically says we're not

1672
01:12:53,910 --> 01:12:51,679
cooperating with any disclosure project

1673
01:12:56,709 --> 01:12:53,920
they don't want it out there

1674
01:12:57,669 --> 01:12:56,719
because right now the space command

1675
01:12:59,510 --> 01:12:57,679
has

1676
01:13:02,070 --> 01:12:59,520
the ufo files

1677
01:13:04,229 --> 01:13:02,080
i know that for a fact

1678
01:13:06,390 --> 01:13:04,239
and so they want to keep things

1679
01:13:07,990 --> 01:13:06,400
secretive

1680
01:13:09,430 --> 01:13:08,000
um

1681
01:13:11,430 --> 01:13:09,440
now there's other entities within the

1682
01:13:13,430 --> 01:13:11,440
government that want

1683
01:13:16,229 --> 01:13:13,440
want the subject out

1684
01:13:18,390 --> 01:13:16,239
uh i think the fact that they had the

1685
01:13:19,270 --> 01:13:18,400
the the congressional hearings some time

1686
01:13:20,390 --> 01:13:19,280
ago

1687
01:13:22,709 --> 01:13:20,400
this summer

1688
01:13:24,709 --> 01:13:22,719
that was a flop total flop

1689
01:13:26,310 --> 01:13:24,719
because the two people that were

1690
01:13:28,310 --> 01:13:26,320
there to answer questions although

1691
01:13:30,070 --> 01:13:28,320
they're very honorable people they had

1692
01:13:32,229 --> 01:13:30,080
no idea what they were talking about

1693
01:13:35,270 --> 01:13:32,239
they had no idea about anything in the

1694
01:13:37,590 --> 01:13:35,280
past no history whatsoever

1695
01:13:39,750 --> 01:13:37,600
they didn't even know what roswell was

1696
01:13:40,550 --> 01:13:39,760
that's right yeah randall

1697
01:13:42,790 --> 01:13:40,560
and

1698
01:13:44,390 --> 01:13:42,800
it's just ridiculous

1699
01:13:47,350 --> 01:13:44,400
that they have them out there and they

1700
01:13:49,590 --> 01:13:47,360
couldn't answer any of the questions

1701
01:13:50,790 --> 01:13:49,600
what about um

1702
01:13:53,910 --> 01:13:50,800
uh

1703
01:13:56,229 --> 01:13:53,920
the ability to

1704
01:13:58,310 --> 01:13:56,239
uh have a

1705
01:14:00,630 --> 01:13:58,320
a fake account

1706
01:14:03,350 --> 01:14:00,640
you know on twitter or on facebook or on

1707
01:14:07,030 --> 01:14:03,360
instagram or tick tock whatever

1708
01:14:08,070 --> 01:14:07,040
um it's got to be very inexpensive uh

1709
01:14:10,790 --> 01:14:08,080
for

1710
01:14:14,310 --> 01:14:10,800
i because i picture

1711
01:14:17,350 --> 01:14:14,320
uh a platoon right

1712
01:14:20,550 --> 01:14:17,360
you know in the air force uh uh

1713
01:14:22,790 --> 01:14:20,560
nsa whatever pic pic um sitting in a

1714
01:14:26,310 --> 01:14:22,800
room running social media

1715
01:14:27,669 --> 01:14:26,320
where one enlisted person

1716
01:14:30,149 --> 01:14:27,679
has uh

1717
01:14:31,830 --> 01:14:30,159
a hundred accounts that they're running

1718
01:14:34,550 --> 01:14:31,840
and and they're out there established in

1719
01:14:37,189 --> 01:14:34,560
social media and and and running an

1720
01:14:40,390 --> 01:14:37,199
agenda a disinformation campaign

1721
01:14:42,390 --> 01:14:40,400
oh that's true yeah exactly in fact we

1722
01:14:44,229 --> 01:14:42,400
interviewed uh

1723
01:14:45,830 --> 01:14:44,239
two two weeks ago

1724
01:14:47,669 --> 01:14:45,840
we interviewed

1725
01:14:50,870 --> 01:14:47,679
uh a female who had just got out of the

1726
01:14:52,630 --> 01:14:50,880
air force uh she served uh

1727
01:14:53,830 --> 01:14:52,640
six or seven years in she got out of the

1728
01:14:56,550 --> 01:14:53,840
air force

1729
01:14:58,070 --> 01:14:56,560
and we interviewed her on camera

1730
01:14:59,990 --> 01:14:58,080
for a show that's going to appear

1731
01:15:01,590 --> 01:15:00,000
sometime later

1732
01:15:03,830 --> 01:15:01,600
about that same

1733
01:15:05,750 --> 01:15:03,840
she was in that group she was sitting in

1734
01:15:08,790 --> 01:15:05,760
a a bunker

1735
01:15:12,550 --> 01:15:08,800
a below ground bunker

1736
01:15:15,350 --> 01:15:12,560
and she was in the air force and her job

1737
01:15:16,149 --> 01:15:15,360
was to monitor social media

1738
01:15:20,310 --> 01:15:16,159
and

1739
01:15:22,390 --> 01:15:20,320
that she's told was told to spread

1740
01:15:25,030 --> 01:15:22,400
that's all her job was

1741
01:15:27,189 --> 01:15:25,040
in her six years in the air force

1742
01:15:28,310 --> 01:15:27,199
it was that that's what she did and

1743
01:15:30,310 --> 01:15:28,320
there were

1744
01:15:31,990 --> 01:15:30,320
as you said another platoon well in air

1745
01:15:35,590 --> 01:15:32,000
force you call them flights there was a

1746
01:15:37,510 --> 01:15:35,600
whole flight of people uh uh in her in

1747
01:15:38,950 --> 01:15:37,520
this in this room

1748
01:15:41,830 --> 01:15:38,960
in front of

1749
01:15:43,189 --> 01:15:41,840
very sophisticated computers

1750
01:15:45,830 --> 01:15:43,199
uh

1751
01:15:47,189 --> 01:15:45,840
monitoring and spreading information i

1752
01:15:49,669 --> 01:15:47,199
mean

1753
01:15:51,510 --> 01:15:49,679
she fully admitted it she told us some

1754
01:15:53,270 --> 01:15:51,520
things that's gonna that i don't want to

1755
01:15:55,590 --> 01:15:53,280
talk about now but

1756
01:15:58,550 --> 01:15:55,600
how they did things and how they they

1757
01:16:00,950 --> 01:15:58,560
were able to to to get stuff out

1758
01:16:03,189 --> 01:16:00,960
and how the counts were set up

1759
01:16:05,189 --> 01:16:03,199
which is quite uh

1760
01:16:07,110 --> 01:16:05,199
quite extraordinary uh

1761
01:16:08,229 --> 01:16:07,120
they were using real names of real

1762
01:16:10,149 --> 01:16:08,239
people

1763
01:16:11,510 --> 01:16:10,159
uh with their sanctioned

1764
01:16:14,630 --> 01:16:11,520
they were paid

1765
01:16:15,910 --> 01:16:14,640
these people are you know joe

1766
01:16:16,870 --> 01:16:15,920
john doe

1767
01:16:19,830 --> 01:16:16,880
from

1768
01:16:23,590 --> 01:16:19,840
flint michigan as a real person but

1769
01:16:25,510 --> 01:16:23,600
they're using his name and his identity

1770
01:16:28,790 --> 01:16:25,520
and he's fully aware of it

1771
01:16:32,870 --> 01:16:30,790
it's it it has to be done that way it

1772
01:16:34,790 --> 01:16:32,880
has to be effective because if anybody's

1773
01:16:37,830 --> 01:16:34,800
going to go backwards and look into one

1774
01:16:40,390 --> 01:16:37,840
of these accounts you'd yeah exactly and

1775
01:16:42,310 --> 01:16:40,400
see that it's an actual real person

1776
01:16:44,070 --> 01:16:42,320
and if you want to do a deeper dive you

1777
01:16:46,709 --> 01:16:44,080
could probably even get their their

1778
01:16:49,030 --> 01:16:46,719
address and employment information then

1779
01:16:51,669 --> 01:16:49,040
you find out the real people it's just

1780
01:16:54,870 --> 01:16:51,679
not a made-up name like ben guess bit

1781
01:16:56,790 --> 01:16:54,880
fill my pockets right or whatever

1782
01:16:59,430 --> 01:16:56,800
that these are actual names

1783
01:17:03,510 --> 01:16:59,440
um and i want to circle back for a

1784
01:17:04,630 --> 01:17:03,520
second you mentioned um the space force

1785
01:17:07,910 --> 01:17:04,640
um

1786
01:17:10,630 --> 01:17:07,920
it has also uh there there's something

1787
01:17:13,430 --> 01:17:10,640
weird going on in social media

1788
01:17:17,030 --> 01:17:13,440
with lou elizondo in the space force

1789
01:17:19,270 --> 01:17:17,040
that he is a member of the space force

1790
01:17:20,470 --> 01:17:19,280
and i don't believe that he is and it's

1791
01:17:21,830 --> 01:17:20,480
not that i'm

1792
01:17:23,590 --> 01:17:21,840
questioning this

1793
01:17:26,229 --> 01:17:23,600
i i think that this is the way that it

1794
01:17:27,510 --> 01:17:26,239
is handled out there on social media

1795
01:17:29,830 --> 01:17:27,520
um

1796
01:17:31,750 --> 01:17:29,840
not not directly from lou himself he

1797
01:17:34,070 --> 01:17:31,760
could be a paid consultant or something

1798
01:17:36,470 --> 01:17:34,080
but to be a member of space force you

1799
01:17:38,229 --> 01:17:36,480
have to be enlisted right you have to be

1800
01:17:40,229 --> 01:17:38,239
in uniform

1801
01:17:42,310 --> 01:17:40,239
i've been to the space force base here

1802
01:17:44,870 --> 01:17:42,320
in california i saw a spacex launch

1803
01:17:48,870 --> 01:17:44,880
myself i interacted with space force

1804
01:17:50,870 --> 01:17:48,880
personnel and they are all in uniform

1805
01:17:52,229 --> 01:17:50,880
right and and so

1806
01:17:55,350 --> 01:17:52,239
is that

1807
01:17:57,750 --> 01:17:55,360
uh misinformation and disinformation

1808
01:18:02,070 --> 01:17:57,760
um on social media

1809
01:18:06,070 --> 01:18:02,080
to present lou as as an enlisted member

1810
01:18:08,470 --> 01:18:06,080
of the space force when indeed he is not

1811
01:18:11,189 --> 01:18:08,480
that could be very well i i i've heard

1812
01:18:13,430 --> 01:18:11,199
this and i and and i've had

1813
01:18:14,870 --> 01:18:13,440
a number of emails sent to me asking me

1814
01:18:17,430 --> 01:18:14,880
that same question

1815
01:18:19,750 --> 01:18:17,440
i don't know that he's associated all

1816
01:18:21,910 --> 01:18:19,760
with space force i don't know if that's

1817
01:18:25,189 --> 01:18:21,920
just disinformation that's being spread

1818
01:18:27,750 --> 01:18:25,199
by somebody to discredit lou

1819
01:18:30,390 --> 01:18:27,760
uh but uh you're right i mean they

1820
01:18:31,830 --> 01:18:30,400
they'd have to be uh members they would

1821
01:18:33,910 --> 01:18:31,840
have to be either a

1822
01:18:35,350 --> 01:18:33,920
uh you know enlisted or an officer or

1823
01:18:37,030 --> 01:18:35,360
they would have to be

1824
01:18:39,750 --> 01:18:37,040
uh some

1825
01:18:42,470 --> 01:18:39,760
civilian gs uh

1826
01:18:43,910 --> 01:18:42,480
level employee but and i don't think he

1827
01:18:45,830 --> 01:18:43,920
is but

1828
01:18:48,310 --> 01:18:45,840
again i don't know for a fact i just

1829
01:18:50,070 --> 01:18:48,320
heard the same rumor you have i like

1830
01:18:51,430 --> 01:18:50,080
this comment here from the chat room

1831
01:18:53,830 --> 01:18:51,440
sounds like

1832
01:18:56,310 --> 01:18:53,840
ufo twitter was created by the air force

1833
01:18:59,350 --> 01:18:56,320
to misinform us

1834
01:19:04,709 --> 01:19:01,830
i don't know much about ufo twitter and

1835
01:19:06,550 --> 01:19:04,719
i i haven't participated i i don't know

1836
01:19:08,950 --> 01:19:06,560
anything about it

1837
01:19:11,430 --> 01:19:08,960
and it's a small part of of the ufo

1838
01:19:14,229 --> 01:19:11,440
community the ufo community is huge

1839
01:19:16,870 --> 01:19:14,239
and i would say that the majority of the

1840
01:19:19,189 --> 01:19:16,880
ufo community isn't on twitter at all

1841
01:19:23,430 --> 01:19:19,199
right let alone ufo twitter

1842
01:19:24,550 --> 01:19:23,440
um and it's it's a very but what goes on

1843
01:19:25,430 --> 01:19:24,560
there

1844
01:19:28,149 --> 01:19:25,440
um

1845
01:19:30,390 --> 01:19:28,159
certainly could be controlled uh through

1846
01:19:32,470 --> 01:19:30,400
uh fake accounts and

1847
01:19:33,590 --> 01:19:32,480
and and those that want to influence

1848
01:19:37,110 --> 01:19:33,600
opinion

1849
01:19:39,430 --> 01:19:37,120
oh absolutely yeah yeah absolutely

1850
01:19:41,669 --> 01:19:39,440
and and you can easily influence it

1851
01:19:43,270 --> 01:19:41,679
wouldn't take diff it wouldn't take much

1852
01:19:45,110 --> 01:19:43,280
uh

1853
01:19:46,630 --> 01:19:45,120
much work to to

1854
01:19:48,870 --> 01:19:46,640
misinform

1855
01:19:51,510 --> 01:19:48,880
uh and disinform people

1856
01:19:54,149 --> 01:19:51,520
on the social media i mean just one

1857
01:19:57,189 --> 01:19:54,159
little bit of information can travel

1858
01:19:58,310 --> 01:19:57,199
uh to to millions of people

1859
01:20:00,390 --> 01:19:58,320
and then

1860
01:20:02,950 --> 01:20:00,400
that little bit those millions will

1861
01:20:05,350 --> 01:20:02,960
threat will send it to more

1862
01:20:08,070 --> 01:20:05,360
and next thing you know if you plan it

1863
01:20:10,149 --> 01:20:08,080
you plan it right you're going to get 20

1864
01:20:12,470 --> 01:20:10,159
or 30 million people thinking of reading

1865
01:20:14,870 --> 01:20:12,480
the same thing and starting to change

1866
01:20:17,270 --> 01:20:14,880
their opinion on something yeah because

1867
01:20:19,350 --> 01:20:17,280
i was getting this is what what i found

1868
01:20:22,229 --> 01:20:19,360
really really strange

1869
01:20:24,630 --> 01:20:22,239
is i started to get a flood of email

1870
01:20:26,470 --> 01:20:24,640
um from people

1871
01:20:28,950 --> 01:20:26,480
saying you need to be careful church

1872
01:20:32,070 --> 01:20:28,960
because lou is a member of the space

1873
01:20:33,990 --> 01:20:32,080
force and and he knows what's going on

1874
01:20:36,709 --> 01:20:34,000
and i thought where

1875
01:20:38,310 --> 01:20:36,719
where did this rumor get started

1876
01:20:46,070 --> 01:20:38,320
member

1877
01:20:48,310 --> 01:20:46,080
out on social media i just don't i don't

1878
01:20:50,470 --> 01:20:48,320
think i don't think washington would uh

1879
01:20:54,310 --> 01:20:50,480
like for something uh

1880
01:20:56,709 --> 01:20:54,320
you know like that to be going on um but

1881
01:20:58,229 --> 01:20:56,719
but people once you post it out there

1882
01:21:00,709 --> 01:20:58,239
enough times

1883
01:21:02,630 --> 01:21:00,719
it becomes truth that's right that's

1884
01:21:07,110 --> 01:21:02,640
exactly how it works

1885
01:21:08,470 --> 01:21:07,120
post things in newspapers of course we

1886
01:21:09,350 --> 01:21:08,480
didn't have the internet back in those

1887
01:21:10,870 --> 01:21:09,360
days

1888
01:21:13,189 --> 01:21:10,880
uh but we would post things in

1889
01:21:14,950 --> 01:21:13,199
newspapers or

1890
01:21:16,390 --> 01:21:14,960
we'd co-op

1891
01:21:17,430 --> 01:21:16,400
news people

1892
01:21:18,790 --> 01:21:17,440
we

1893
01:21:22,470 --> 01:21:18,800
when i was in

1894
01:21:24,870 --> 01:21:22,480
kirtland we we had sources within

1895
01:21:26,950 --> 01:21:24,880
every entity of the news business

1896
01:21:28,950 --> 01:21:26,960
newspapers

1897
01:21:29,990 --> 01:21:28,960
the radio stations and the television

1898
01:21:32,390 --> 01:21:30,000
stations

1899
01:21:34,550 --> 01:21:32,400
and we if we wanted something aired we

1900
01:21:36,310 --> 01:21:34,560
we got it aired if we didn't want

1901
01:21:37,830 --> 01:21:36,320
something aired

1902
01:21:40,950 --> 01:21:37,840
they would narrow it

1903
01:21:43,830 --> 01:21:40,960
or they would distort it for us so

1904
01:21:45,430 --> 01:21:43,840
uh and that's that's how it happens in

1905
01:21:46,790 --> 01:21:45,440
in intelligence

1906
01:21:49,270 --> 01:21:46,800
uh

1907
01:21:50,950 --> 01:21:49,280
the only way we could

1908
01:21:53,110 --> 01:21:50,960
manipulate

1909
01:21:54,830 --> 01:21:53,120
uh the local surroundings would be

1910
01:21:57,750 --> 01:21:54,840
owning the television or

1911
01:21:59,910 --> 01:21:57,760
newspaper uh and also i was watching the

1912
01:22:01,030 --> 01:21:59,920
comments here in the chat room yes

1913
01:22:03,189 --> 01:22:01,040
uh

1914
01:22:05,430 --> 01:22:03,199
rick is

1915
01:22:07,669 --> 01:22:05,440
at a secret location he's at a hotel

1916
01:22:09,510 --> 01:22:07,679
somewhere in the middle of the desert

1917
01:22:11,189 --> 01:22:09,520
um uh

1918
01:22:14,149 --> 01:22:11,199
doing the show tonight

1919
01:22:16,310 --> 01:22:14,159
and uh there you go uh well i'm gonna

1920
01:22:19,110 --> 01:22:16,320
talk about that if if i get a chance

1921
01:22:20,149 --> 01:22:19,120
about why i'm here oh what

1922
01:22:21,750 --> 01:22:20,159
okay

1923
01:22:25,990 --> 01:22:21,760
no why

1924
01:22:28,870 --> 01:22:26,000
why are you there okay a few months ago

1925
01:22:30,550 --> 01:22:28,880
uh well several months ago

1926
01:22:32,470 --> 01:22:30,560
we our group

1927
01:22:35,669 --> 01:22:32,480
got a hold

1928
01:22:40,629 --> 01:22:35,679
of an entry control roster

1929
01:22:47,189 --> 01:22:43,669
the roster was dated

1930
01:22:50,310 --> 01:22:47,199
from january 1st 1979

1931
01:22:53,830 --> 01:22:50,320
to december 31st 1990.

1932
01:22:54,950 --> 01:22:53,840
it's on one of these old uh computer dot

1933
01:22:57,990 --> 01:22:54,960
matrix

1934
01:22:59,430 --> 01:22:58,000
i'm sure you've seen them before 24

1935
01:23:02,870 --> 01:22:59,440
inch wide

1936
01:23:04,310 --> 01:23:02,880
uh computer printouts right a form feed

1937
01:23:05,430 --> 01:23:04,320
form

1938
01:23:08,390 --> 01:23:05,440
yeah

1939
01:23:10,870 --> 01:23:08,400
uh there's about 3 000 pages

1940
01:23:11,910 --> 01:23:10,880
everyone that had access

1941
01:23:15,350 --> 01:23:11,920
to

1942
01:23:17,750 --> 01:23:15,360
uh debt 3 air force test

1943
01:23:19,270 --> 01:23:17,760
and test flight center which was at area

1944
01:23:21,110 --> 01:23:19,280
51.

1945
01:23:22,790 --> 01:23:21,120
air force research and development

1946
01:23:24,229 --> 01:23:22,800
operations center which was right in

1947
01:23:27,110 --> 01:23:24,239
that same area

1948
01:23:29,430 --> 01:23:27,120
southern nellis test range which is

1949
01:23:31,270 --> 01:23:29,440
just north of creech air force base in

1950
01:23:33,750 --> 01:23:31,280
that area there

1951
01:23:36,550 --> 01:23:33,760
site sydney which is a communication

1952
01:23:39,590 --> 01:23:36,560
site insight homie which is the actually

1953
01:23:42,470 --> 01:23:39,600
airfield at area 51.

1954
01:23:44,950 --> 01:23:42,480
so what we're doing now

1955
01:23:47,189 --> 01:23:44,960
is we're going through that

1956
01:23:48,709 --> 01:23:47,199
and we're going to out people who claim

1957
01:23:52,790 --> 01:23:48,719
to have been there during that time

1958
01:23:55,110 --> 01:23:52,800
period now it's only between january 1st

1959
01:24:00,070 --> 01:23:55,120
1979

1960
01:24:05,110 --> 01:24:02,629
everyone that had access

1961
01:24:07,189 --> 01:24:05,120
to those locations

1962
01:24:10,070 --> 01:24:07,199
uh their their their last name first

1963
01:24:12,470 --> 01:24:10,080
name middle initial okay bob lazar is he

1964
01:24:15,590 --> 01:24:12,480
on that is he on this yes he is bob

1965
01:24:18,950 --> 01:24:15,600
bob lazar is on that list

1966
01:24:20,229 --> 01:24:18,960
but only for a very short period of time

1967
01:24:21,750 --> 01:24:20,239
and we're going to we're going to go

1968
01:24:23,830 --> 01:24:21,760
through this and we're going to out some

1969
01:24:26,390 --> 01:24:23,840
people and then we're going to go back

1970
01:24:28,070 --> 01:24:26,400
and and and and and show that some

1971
01:24:30,149 --> 01:24:28,080
people who claim that they were there

1972
01:24:31,189 --> 01:24:30,159
nobody wants to believe him they were

1973
01:24:32,709 --> 01:24:31,199
there

1974
01:24:35,030 --> 01:24:32,719
uh but

1975
01:24:37,430 --> 01:24:35,040
uh and and

1976
01:24:39,830 --> 01:24:37,440
this has a lot of other information on

1977
01:24:40,629 --> 01:24:39,840
it but it's only during that time period

1978
01:24:43,750 --> 01:24:40,639
now

1979
01:24:45,830 --> 01:24:43,760
after that

1980
01:24:47,350 --> 01:24:45,840
or or even before that

1981
01:24:48,790 --> 01:24:47,360
but there's a lot of people out there

1982
01:24:51,430 --> 01:24:48,800
who claimed to have been there during

1983
01:24:53,030 --> 01:24:51,440
that time period that they weren't there

1984
01:24:54,790 --> 01:24:53,040
we we can prove that they weren't there

1985
01:24:56,629 --> 01:24:54,800
they didn't have any access

1986
01:24:59,430 --> 01:24:56,639
now all we're going to say is your

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name's not on it is your name on it well

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my name's on it yes

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the first thing i looked at was my name

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and

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people that uh i'm

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i work with it our former retired

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intelligence officers that were there uh

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their names are there too so uh

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everyone who claims uh within the

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intelligence community that i've spoken

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with or that have talked to me about it

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who

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jacobson and alex ward

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um

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they they're on it

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every one of those people that annie

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01:25:40,790 --> 01:25:38,239
spoke with

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uh they're they're on it uh

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and

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some of them for the entire period of

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time

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so and then there's some people out

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01:25:51,110 --> 01:25:48,560
there who are making these wild

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01:25:53,510 --> 01:25:51,120
accusations about being out there and

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seeing things and doing things

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their name's not on there and i'm all

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01:25:58,550 --> 01:25:56,880
we're going to do is say listen your

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01:26:00,709 --> 01:25:58,560
name's not out here

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01:26:02,470 --> 01:26:00,719
why is it on there let them talk about

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that and that's what that's what our

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01:26:05,590 --> 01:26:04,239
project is right now i mean that's one

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01:26:06,790 --> 01:26:05,600
of our projects

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um

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that we're going to do

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uh there's a lot of people involved good

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01:26:16,629 --> 01:26:14,480
producers and directors involved uh it's

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01:26:19,030 --> 01:26:16,639
it's behind the time because of poet we

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01:26:20,950 --> 01:26:19,040
had to stop filming we were filming all

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01:26:23,030 --> 01:26:20,960
around area 51

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setting up trail cameras

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filming everything that was flying out

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of the area 51 or

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the nellis test and training range

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uh going to be a great great documentary

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i mean a fantastic documentary once we

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01:26:39,590 --> 01:26:37,520
get it finished and we had we had to go

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back and cut some things out because the

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air force is

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01:26:45,990 --> 01:26:43,679
filed some wanted to file a junction

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against us because what we we saw what

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01:26:50,790 --> 01:26:49,520
we did so we had to do some some

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01:26:52,550 --> 01:26:50,800
cutting out but

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and along with that we're gonna we're

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gonna out these people who claimed they

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01:26:58,229 --> 01:26:56,239
were there

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01:27:00,229 --> 01:26:58,239
but bob lazar was there i mean his

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01:27:02,470 --> 01:27:00,239
name's on there

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01:27:04,390 --> 01:27:02,480
very interesting um

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01:27:06,870 --> 01:27:04,400
can i circle back real quick before we

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01:27:09,030 --> 01:27:06,880
get to the break uh you mentioned uh

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01:27:10,790 --> 01:27:09,040
that there was something in that was

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01:27:12,629 --> 01:27:10,800
supposed to be in linda's hbo

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01:27:15,669 --> 01:27:12,639
documentary that the air force didn't

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01:27:19,270 --> 01:27:15,679
want in there what was that

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01:27:21,270 --> 01:27:19,280
it was uh the uh it was

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01:27:24,470 --> 01:27:21,280
she was talking about an incident that

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happened uh prior to the um

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01:27:29,470 --> 01:27:28,080
1916 1974 landing at holloman air force

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01:27:32,070 --> 01:27:29,480
base

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01:27:34,070 --> 01:27:32,080
eminem supposedly was going to she gave

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01:27:35,110 --> 01:27:34,080
her saw the film

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01:27:37,669 --> 01:27:35,120
uh

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01:27:39,510 --> 01:27:37,679
linda had access to something

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01:27:42,390 --> 01:27:39,520
that the government didn't want

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01:27:44,870 --> 01:27:42,400
anybody to see was still classified

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01:27:47,510 --> 01:27:44,880
uh hbo had it

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01:27:50,149 --> 01:27:47,520
uh and then hbo turned it over to some

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01:27:52,470 --> 01:27:50,159
of our uh intelligence people

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01:27:54,310 --> 01:27:52,480
what did hbo have did they have

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01:27:57,110 --> 01:27:54,320
film or did they have

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01:27:59,510 --> 01:27:57,120
they actually had the original film

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01:28:01,270 --> 01:27:59,520
really yeah

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01:28:03,669 --> 01:28:01,280
and some of it has leaked out i mean

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01:28:05,510 --> 01:28:03,679
that there's there's a 15 sec 50 i

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01:28:09,910 --> 01:28:05,520
believe it was 15 seconds yeah yeah

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01:28:12,390 --> 01:28:09,920
we've all seen that um but uh the actual

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01:28:14,550 --> 01:28:12,400
real i mean that's the you know three

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01:28:16,870 --> 01:28:14,560
minutes it or 33 minutes

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01:28:18,950 --> 01:28:16,880
yeah that's the holy grail of ufology

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01:28:21,270 --> 01:28:18,960
i've talked to a couple of people that

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01:28:23,110 --> 01:28:21,280
uh one that saw a copy of know when i

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01:28:24,950 --> 01:28:23,120
saw the you know the actual name talked

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01:28:27,750 --> 01:28:24,960
to the producers and

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01:28:29,270 --> 01:28:27,760
and and stuff that were involved in m

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01:28:31,990 --> 01:28:29,280
edgar's project

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01:28:34,310 --> 01:28:32,000
um but uh that's the holy grail right

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01:28:37,030 --> 01:28:34,320
where is the original film

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01:28:39,910 --> 01:28:37,040
yeah that's i mean i've seen that

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01:28:41,110 --> 01:28:39,920
uh well i've just seen the 33 minutes

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01:28:42,790 --> 01:28:41,120
i've saw the

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01:28:44,709 --> 01:28:42,800
of course the 15 second one you can look

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01:28:47,270 --> 01:28:44,719
at and then i saw the

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01:28:49,189 --> 01:28:47,280
uh i think it was seven uh seven minutes

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01:28:50,550 --> 01:28:49,199
or or something i i can't remember

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01:28:52,229 --> 01:28:50,560
exactly how long

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01:28:54,149 --> 01:28:52,239
it was it was less than ten minutes i

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01:28:55,590 --> 01:28:54,159
believe it was seven seconds that's

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01:28:57,669 --> 01:28:55,600
seven minutes

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01:28:59,189 --> 01:28:57,679
which was extraordinary i mean it showed

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01:29:00,950 --> 01:28:59,199
the landing and showed

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01:29:03,110 --> 01:29:00,960
the the creatures coming out of the

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01:29:05,750 --> 01:29:03,120
spaceship that doesn't show the meeting

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01:29:07,910 --> 01:29:05,760
with the uh military people but because

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that's on the other

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01:29:14,390 --> 01:29:12,560
the rest of the the 26 minutes that uh

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there's people that have talked about it

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01:29:17,910 --> 01:29:16,000
i mean i know

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01:29:20,070 --> 01:29:17,920
how put off had a friend

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01:29:22,390 --> 01:29:20,080
uh that saw the whole thing and and

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01:29:25,350 --> 01:29:22,400
thought it was extraordinary and

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01:29:27,229 --> 01:29:25,360
uh knew it wasn't made by the government

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01:29:30,470 --> 01:29:27,239
because it was you know

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01:29:31,510 --> 01:29:30,480
1976 64 incident

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and so

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01:29:35,350 --> 01:29:33,280
um

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01:29:37,270 --> 01:29:35,360
and the the government got what they

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01:29:40,070 --> 01:29:37,280
want i mean they the operation was

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01:29:41,110 --> 01:29:40,080
successful they they got it back

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01:29:42,870 --> 01:29:41,120
um what

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01:29:45,750 --> 01:29:42,880
did linda i've never talked to linda

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01:29:48,629 --> 01:29:45,760
about this did she see it

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01:29:52,870 --> 01:29:48,639
i'm not sure uh you'd have to ask her

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01:29:53,750 --> 01:29:52,880
executives at hbo that saw the holloman

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01:29:55,990 --> 01:29:53,760
film

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01:29:59,350 --> 01:29:56,000
that there are civilians out there

2122
01:30:01,669 --> 01:29:59,360
outside of ufology that have seen this

2123
01:30:03,669 --> 01:30:01,679
well all i can say is

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01:30:05,350 --> 01:30:03,679
i knew they had it i don't know if you

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01:30:07,590 --> 01:30:05,360
know who saw it

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01:30:09,590 --> 01:30:07,600
but but i knew and and that wasn't my

2127
01:30:11,590 --> 01:30:09,600
operation it was a it was the agents

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that were working in new york area and

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in washington so

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you know i didn't have access to

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01:30:18,550 --> 01:30:15,920
everything that they were doing there

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01:30:20,070 --> 01:30:18,560
but but they got the film back

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let's take our break right here i got to

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01:30:24,470 --> 01:30:22,400
get this in rick you stay right there

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01:30:26,629 --> 01:30:24,480
this is fade to black i am your host

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01:30:28,830 --> 01:30:26,639
jimmy church tonight rick dodie is here

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01:30:30,390 --> 01:30:28,840
we're talking about misinformation

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01:30:33,910 --> 01:30:30,400
disinformation

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inside of the ufo community and ufology

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in general more with rick when we come

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back after this short break this is fade

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way out here we listen to jimmy church

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welcome back fade to black i'm your host

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jimmy church

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tonight rick dodi is with us we're

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talking about miss info disinfo inside

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of the ufo community

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and the possibility of that

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and uh rick just yeah rick just dropped

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a bomb on us

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uh with this uh list of names and and

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bob lazar uh a list of names from

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workers

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um at area 51 bob i i just popped that

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out on twitter

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so in your secret identity on twitter um

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and uh

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the men in black should be knocking on

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your door uh pretty soon i hope you've

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made copies of this list

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and you've got some uh stashed

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away well we when we first obtained it

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um

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we had a problem finding uh some place

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to copy it

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i mean it's not an easier yeah right

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right and so we didn't want to go to a

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a business like

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staples or

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office depot or office max

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but we actually found a library

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at a college

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that has an old printing system that can

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copy it

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so that that's what we did and then we

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had to verify it we got to make sure it

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was in fact government that it uh

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you know it wasn't

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was a real thing and that was easy to do

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because

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uh

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just by the nature of it and by the

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the markings on it it wasn't classified

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it's not classified

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we submitted foia requests

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uh to get

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to verify that the existence that that

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it's real

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and there's a code on it at the top of

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it

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and when the

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the government

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the dia

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was the administrative controller for

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this

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uh

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that it was they couldn't release it

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i said well we already have it

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we already have it you want to come and

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look at it we can't mail it to you but

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here it is

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and then they came back and said oh yeah

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okay we can verify it it's not

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classified it's it's obsolete so they're

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not gonna they're not gonna comment on

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it

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so now we have that letter saying okay

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it's obsolete

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and it's it's basically verification

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that's real

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and and then we went and we found a lot

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of people now this i'm sure there's a

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lot of people on this list that are dead

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and uh and we did verify some of that

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but we went back and verified a lot of

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people who are still alive

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that are retired from different

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different agencies now this is a list of

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everyone including military

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civilian contractors

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and government employees

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uh raytheon hughes aircraft

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uh

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motorola

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general dynamics

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lockheed

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uh all those their names

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are on there people that worked we went

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and found a lot of people in fact

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where we are right now we've

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we came and uh to speak to some people

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that uh are retired and uh that are on

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that list and and and they're gonna

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verify and we're gonna get them on

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camera to say yeah yeah you know i was

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there

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um

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during that period and just to verify

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that and then there's people from los

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alamos and sandia

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and

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but ironically

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there's there's names of people

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there that are associated with a

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contractor and we know that contractor

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work is basically a cover for the cia

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so there's nobody on this list

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that

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with their name

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associated with a central intelligence

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agency it's all some other cover

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sure well yeah and it ran that way for a

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long time i mean the base was

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constructed by the c.i.a yeah you know

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it was originally a cia back when it was

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called the ranch

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right and dreamland uh that was uh it

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was cia

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um staffed by air force i think air

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force security right

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um okay

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let's uh let's this is it's pretty

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exciting i feel like uh

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uh that's pretty major but

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is it misinformation

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from richard doty presented to jimmy

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church on fade to black

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so we'll leave that to the community but

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that's that's pretty cool uh richard

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well there's other there's other

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entities that got a hold of

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we showed it to other people uh

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even some people in the air force

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uh current active duty people a colonel

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uh that's kind of on our team and some

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other people um so

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it's real we're gonna we're gonna uh

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copy it and we're going to give

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we're gonna bring george knapp in on

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this um

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and some other people

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ironically

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somebody

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who you would never think

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uh

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that had access out there

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that had access

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his name is on here is our bell

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artbell went to area 51 he went to new

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york cell had access there from

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uh

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he was it well as showed him had having

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access

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on june 17th

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1979

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he was a contract employee

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for

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bcrs which is the

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bcrs is the

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uh

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television station

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the the

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close circuit television station

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get the hell out of here yeah

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i know i said the same thing and i tell

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you what i've known art forever uh

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before he died i mean i i've been out

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there to his house

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i've been on this program

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and the art never mentioned that he was

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ever out there

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what

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yeah

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now he was either

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somehow associated with

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uh the the t closed circuit tv station

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out there for i don't know what reason

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maybe an advisor maybe he set up some

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equipment for him or something to that

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now one thing it doesn't show is a

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security clearance doesn't show he had a

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security clearance

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so maybe he they just brought him out

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there to set something up for him i

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don't know

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he's dead so we can't we can't talk to

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him about it but

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um

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he was out there in that short period of

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i can't handle this i can't have too

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much i couldn't handle it when i saw it

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i thought well it can't be the same art

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bell and then i started looking in you

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know date of birth and stuff all matched

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his so

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okay

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um we've got to get off on to get off on

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the subject because i want to get back

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to misinformation and disinformation i

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i feel like a tool now you're feeding me

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this stuff you're spreading it rick

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you're spreading it right now

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um wow really really tough though

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i mean bob lazar that that's a that's

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that's that's hard enough to swallow

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i mean only because

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he hasn't had anything right it's

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everything has been uh uh completely

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circumstantial but if if this is the

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case

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and this has got a document number on it

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and it you know you've researched the

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provenance and to make sure that it it

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was what it is but

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to have bob lazar's name on it

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you know um

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the ufo community is i've already posted

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it in twitter

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you know and and we'll see how this goes

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okay let's let's swing this back around

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though

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back to

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[Music]

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what is going on on social media

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and through uh

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if you're gonna do this you're gonna do

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this in all media outlets

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um

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01:45:22,870 --> 01:45:20,880
there is

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something pretty effective going on rick

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and that is

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uh

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01:45:27,830 --> 01:45:26,719
uaps

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01:45:29,590 --> 01:45:27,840
are

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technology

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here on earth man-made

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01:45:37,189 --> 01:45:34,000
then you have the other side

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that it's it's it some of it most of it

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is alien and is visiting us

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01:45:44,950 --> 01:45:42,320
and there seems to be something going on

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right now on social media that is trying

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to push this away

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uh from the alien conversation and that

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the alien conversation is a cover-up

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of highly classified technology that the

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united states in is in possession of and

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01:46:04,229 --> 01:46:02,239
it's got people arguing and fighting

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01:46:07,830 --> 01:46:04,239
about this right now

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is that a disinformation campaign

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oh i would say so yes it sounds that way

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to me although i

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you know i don't know anything other

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than what i read on the social media but

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if i was to run an operation uh to

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protect

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some kind of special access program

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knowing that this information we have

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the technology that we have at

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the area 51 or wherever

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um

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is is that we we obtained

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uh somewhere

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uh yeah i would i would i would protect

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it the same way

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now

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what what is confusing is that

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you know chris mellon uh sent something

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out saying let's get away from the ufo

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let's

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only talk about uaps

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and only in the context of what the navy

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01:46:58,550 --> 01:46:57,520
wants to talk about

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um

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i find that disingenuous

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because why

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let's let's keep the subject open

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01:47:11,270 --> 01:47:08,800
um

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historically speaking we didn't have

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uaps we had ufos

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or we had known

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alien crafts

2541
01:47:22,070 --> 01:47:19,600
identified we had

2542
01:47:25,830 --> 01:47:22,080
identified airline craft iacs i mean

2543
01:47:29,430 --> 01:47:25,840
that's in documents that fran uh stan

2544
01:47:31,990 --> 01:47:29,440
friedman had had seen and and uh it's in

2545
01:47:34,470 --> 01:47:32,000
some of the mj-12 documents we know

2546
01:47:35,750 --> 01:47:34,480
some is factual and some is not

2547
01:47:37,430 --> 01:47:35,760
um

2548
01:47:41,830 --> 01:47:37,440
but

2549
01:47:44,070 --> 01:47:41,840
we we we have to keep the subject

2550
01:47:46,629 --> 01:47:44,080
open in a wider sense

2551
01:47:49,350 --> 01:47:46,639
than what some people want us

2552
01:47:50,629 --> 01:47:49,360
not to be not

2553
01:47:52,790 --> 01:47:50,639
to involve

2554
01:47:54,790 --> 01:47:52,800
and and chris mullins mentioned that

2555
01:47:57,590 --> 01:47:54,800
stuff earlier and i read that what he

2556
01:47:59,510 --> 01:47:57,600
said what he we talked about and i i

2557
01:48:00,390 --> 01:47:59,520
scratched my head why why is he saying

2558
01:48:02,629 --> 01:48:00,400
that

2559
01:48:05,910 --> 01:48:02,639
i mean let's let's talk about

2560
01:48:07,830 --> 01:48:05,920
every single realm of the ufo phenomena

2561
01:48:10,709 --> 01:48:07,840
let's keep that out there

2562
01:48:11,910 --> 01:48:10,719
let's not close any books on that

2563
01:48:14,149 --> 01:48:11,920
because

2564
01:48:15,910 --> 01:48:14,159
if you close the book and say let's just

2565
01:48:18,629 --> 01:48:15,920
leave that over there and we're going to

2566
01:48:20,070 --> 01:48:18,639
talk only about this subject that's

2567
01:48:22,310 --> 01:48:20,080
going to block out a lot of good

2568
01:48:24,149 --> 01:48:22,320
information that needs to to stay out

2569
01:48:26,310 --> 01:48:24,159
there in public

2570
01:48:27,109 --> 01:48:26,320
to force disclosure

2571
01:48:29,590 --> 01:48:27,119
and

2572
01:48:33,590 --> 01:48:29,600
the more we can press the government on

2573
01:48:35,910 --> 01:48:33,600
disclosure the more that we can push

2574
01:48:38,070 --> 01:48:35,920
knowledge that we have out here into the

2575
01:48:39,669 --> 01:48:38,080
government knowing letting them knowing

2576
01:48:41,350 --> 01:48:39,679
what we know

2577
01:48:44,310 --> 01:48:41,360
i think there's more of a chance for

2578
01:48:47,910 --> 01:48:45,350
the

2579
01:48:48,870 --> 01:48:47,920
recent announcement

2580
01:48:51,109 --> 01:48:48,880
uh

2581
01:48:53,430 --> 01:48:51,119
that and this came through foia john

2582
01:48:55,669 --> 01:48:53,440
greenwald and the black vault he's does

2583
01:48:56,629 --> 01:48:55,679
some of the best work out there

2584
01:48:58,790 --> 01:48:56,639
um

2585
01:49:01,590 --> 01:48:58,800
in chasing down the facts

2586
01:49:03,189 --> 01:49:01,600
um and and does it through uh official

2587
01:49:04,950 --> 01:49:03,199
government documents

2588
01:49:07,830 --> 01:49:04,960
and so he

2589
01:49:11,910 --> 01:49:07,840
submitted a foia request

2590
01:49:14,870 --> 01:49:11,920
uh for all uap videos right blanket i

2591
01:49:17,189 --> 01:49:14,880
just want all uap videos right and they

2592
01:49:18,950 --> 01:49:17,199
came back and said we've got them but

2593
01:49:22,149 --> 01:49:18,960
you're not going to see them and they

2594
01:49:22,790 --> 01:49:22,159
have now been labeled classified that's

2595
01:49:28,229 --> 01:49:22,800
it

2596
01:49:29,910 --> 01:49:28,239
right which is always the blanket that

2597
01:49:32,629 --> 01:49:29,920
has put over these things national

2598
01:49:35,510 --> 01:49:32,639
security and everybody freaks out on

2599
01:49:38,229 --> 01:49:35,520
that and and they end up not touching it

2600
01:49:40,830 --> 01:49:38,239
um i feel like that is almost

2601
01:49:42,709 --> 01:49:40,840
a misdirection and misinformation too as

2602
01:49:46,550 --> 01:49:42,719
well and

2603
01:49:49,270 --> 01:49:46,560
if it's if it's from outer space if it's

2604
01:49:50,550 --> 01:49:49,280
interstellar if it's not ours

2605
01:49:52,070 --> 01:49:50,560
then

2606
01:49:53,189 --> 01:49:52,080
what does that have to do with national

2607
01:49:55,750 --> 01:49:53,199
security

2608
01:49:57,990 --> 01:49:55,760
and if it's if it is um and let me give

2609
01:50:00,390 --> 01:49:58,000
you an example because the the

2610
01:50:01,990 --> 01:50:00,400
government is going to say well it's how

2611
01:50:04,870 --> 01:50:02,000
we detect these things we don't want

2612
01:50:05,830 --> 01:50:04,880
that we don't want other russians to

2613
01:50:08,229 --> 01:50:05,840
know

2614
01:50:11,669 --> 01:50:08,239
how good our equipment is

2615
01:50:14,390 --> 01:50:11,679
our sensor data we can't let that out

2616
01:50:17,109 --> 01:50:14,400
this is not sensor data this is called a

2617
01:50:19,109 --> 01:50:17,119
cell phone and if a pilot is shooting

2618
01:50:21,590 --> 01:50:19,119
something from his cockpit on a cell

2619
01:50:23,030 --> 01:50:21,600
phone that is not

2620
01:50:28,149 --> 01:50:23,040
the secret

2621
01:50:30,070 --> 01:50:28,159
radar fleer technology right um

2622
01:50:33,270 --> 01:50:30,080
on an aircraft that is picking the stuff

2623
01:50:35,189 --> 01:50:33,280
up or satellites it's a cell phone

2624
01:50:38,390 --> 01:50:35,199
shouldn't we be uh

2625
01:50:40,229 --> 01:50:38,400
entitled to see these things

2626
01:50:42,470 --> 01:50:40,239
well first of all

2627
01:50:44,870 --> 01:50:42,480
we had the government always wants to

2628
01:50:47,910 --> 01:50:44,880
protect sources and methods

2629
01:50:49,109 --> 01:50:47,920
uh i was involved with this for for 12

2630
01:50:50,470 --> 01:50:49,119
years

2631
01:50:54,950 --> 01:50:50,480
whereby

2632
01:50:57,109 --> 01:50:54,960
you you have some sort of a source

2633
01:50:59,910 --> 01:50:57,119
and a method to detect

2634
01:51:01,590 --> 01:50:59,920
or or gather intelligence

2635
01:51:03,350 --> 01:51:01,600
and our government says you we're not

2636
01:51:05,430 --> 01:51:03,360
going to disclose

2637
01:51:06,709 --> 01:51:05,440
sources or methods

2638
01:51:11,030 --> 01:51:06,719
now

2639
01:51:12,229 --> 01:51:11,040
as an example the congressional hearing

2640
01:51:14,070 --> 01:51:12,239
they had a

2641
01:51:17,030 --> 01:51:14,080
closed camera

2642
01:51:20,149 --> 01:51:17,040
after they they were in the public view

2643
01:51:22,790 --> 01:51:20,159
they went behind the camera they call in

2644
01:51:24,390 --> 01:51:22,800
camera into a classified setting you

2645
01:51:27,990 --> 01:51:24,400
know what they talked about they talked

2646
01:51:30,310 --> 01:51:28,000
about sources and methods how we filmed

2647
01:51:32,550 --> 01:51:30,320
that tic tac how we did they didn't

2648
01:51:34,790 --> 01:51:32,560
disclose anything other than that

2649
01:51:36,470 --> 01:51:34,800
because i had a senator tell me

2650
01:51:37,830 --> 01:51:36,480
he said they didn't talk about anything

2651
01:51:39,830 --> 01:51:37,840
other than

2652
01:51:42,550 --> 01:51:39,840
sources and methods and they didn't even

2653
01:51:45,270 --> 01:51:42,560
talk about the sources or methods

2654
01:51:48,550 --> 01:51:45,280
they just said we have these we have a

2655
01:51:51,589 --> 01:51:48,560
source that can detect this we have a

2656
01:51:53,910 --> 01:51:51,599
method that to detect these things but

2657
01:51:55,270 --> 01:51:53,920
that's all they talked about well let me

2658
01:51:57,589 --> 01:51:55,280
tell you something there's a secret

2659
01:51:59,270 --> 01:51:57,599
space program out there and the secret

2660
01:52:01,669 --> 01:51:59,280
space program

2661
01:52:02,950 --> 01:52:01,679
is deep space probes we have satellites

2662
01:52:04,470 --> 01:52:02,960
all over the

2663
01:52:06,070 --> 01:52:04,480
all over space

2664
01:52:08,470 --> 01:52:06,080
in our solar system

2665
01:52:10,149 --> 01:52:08,480
that can detect things coming in

2666
01:52:12,070 --> 01:52:10,159
now they're classified

2667
01:52:15,750 --> 01:52:12,080
now this kernel

2668
01:52:18,229 --> 01:52:15,760
that space command well this is before

2669
01:52:20,629 --> 01:52:18,239
u.s space force uh this was when space

2670
01:52:21,990 --> 01:52:20,639
command was still in existence back in

2671
01:52:23,189 --> 01:52:22,000
2014

2672
01:52:25,270 --> 01:52:23,199
he said

2673
01:52:26,310 --> 01:52:25,280
we have 174

2674
01:52:29,350 --> 01:52:26,320
methods

2675
01:52:30,390 --> 01:52:29,360
of detecting things coming in from

2676
01:52:31,830 --> 01:52:30,400
from

2677
01:52:33,430 --> 01:52:31,840
the solar system

2678
01:52:37,589 --> 01:52:33,440
he just disclosed right there there's

2679
01:52:40,310 --> 01:52:37,599
174 deep space probes we have out there

2680
01:52:41,990 --> 01:52:40,320
but he didn't say that he just said 174

2681
01:52:44,629 --> 01:52:42,000
okay so

2682
01:52:46,950 --> 01:52:44,639
if you did dig deep into

2683
01:52:48,870 --> 01:52:46,960
uh what we what we have

2684
01:52:52,629 --> 01:52:48,880
what we know and what others have talked

2685
01:52:56,229 --> 01:52:52,639
about include including people uh within

2686
01:52:58,070 --> 01:52:56,239
our employer their gaia and other other

2687
01:53:01,109 --> 01:52:58,080
entities

2688
01:53:03,669 --> 01:53:01,119
we have we've launched things out of uh

2689
01:53:07,430 --> 01:53:03,679
that the pilots of one of the discovery

2690
01:53:09,750 --> 01:53:07,440
in 19 in 1983 admitted that they

2691
01:53:11,830 --> 01:53:09,760
launched a classified project a

2692
01:53:14,709 --> 01:53:11,840
classified satellite

2693
01:53:16,709 --> 01:53:14,719
in this deep space he admitted that he

2694
01:53:17,830 --> 01:53:16,719
told the public that

2695
01:53:19,189 --> 01:53:17,840
okay so

2696
01:53:23,350 --> 01:53:19,199
we have

2697
01:53:25,189 --> 01:53:23,360
there and they're detecting things

2698
01:53:26,790 --> 01:53:25,199
coming in all the time

2699
01:53:28,149 --> 01:53:26,800
but the government doesn't want us to

2700
01:53:33,030 --> 01:53:28,159
know

2701
01:53:35,589 --> 01:53:33,040
that we have the deep space probes so

2702
01:53:38,229 --> 01:53:35,599
they can't disclose methods

2703
01:53:41,750 --> 01:53:38,239
or sources of information of how these

2704
01:53:44,470 --> 01:53:41,760
things are being detected now i

2705
01:53:47,270 --> 01:53:44,480
the navy said we're not gonna

2706
01:53:48,550 --> 01:53:47,280
we're we're gonna uh not disclose any of

2707
01:53:53,109 --> 01:53:48,560
the

2708
01:53:54,470 --> 01:53:53,119
videos and videos

2709
01:53:56,149 --> 01:53:54,480
uh the air force said the same thing

2710
01:53:59,109 --> 01:53:56,159
well the air force never did disclose

2711
01:54:00,229 --> 01:53:59,119
theirs air force has 110 of them

2712
01:54:02,229 --> 01:54:00,239
sitting

2713
01:54:04,629 --> 01:54:02,239
in a classified vault

2714
01:54:06,950 --> 01:54:04,639
that would would scare the dickens out

2715
01:54:09,030 --> 01:54:06,960
of anyone that saw him but they're not

2716
01:54:11,109 --> 01:54:09,040
going to disclose them

2717
01:54:13,270 --> 01:54:11,119
and so

2718
01:54:15,270 --> 01:54:13,280
the coast guard the united states coast

2719
01:54:17,990 --> 01:54:15,280
guard has has them

2720
01:54:21,510 --> 01:54:18,000
they don't have jets they have see what

2721
01:54:24,870 --> 01:54:21,520
they the c-130 cargo planes and rescue

2722
01:54:28,310 --> 01:54:24,880
planes and helicopters and one over the

2723
01:54:30,229 --> 01:54:28,320
the northwest off vancouver island

2724
01:54:32,070 --> 01:54:30,239
for 40 minutes

2725
01:54:33,189 --> 01:54:32,080
they filmed

2726
01:54:35,189 --> 01:54:33,199
these two

2727
01:54:37,510 --> 01:54:35,199
things the two spacecraft alien

2728
01:54:39,669 --> 01:54:37,520
spacecraft flying saucers as what the

2729
01:54:42,870 --> 01:54:39,679
pilot and the co-pilot said

2730
01:54:45,510 --> 01:54:42,880
flying around their helicopters

2731
01:54:47,270 --> 01:54:45,520
they filmed it well that's classified

2732
01:54:49,669 --> 01:54:47,280
it was taken over by the navy and the

2733
01:54:50,629 --> 01:54:49,679
navy says that's classified

2734
01:54:51,910 --> 01:54:50,639
so

2735
01:54:53,669 --> 01:54:51,920
there's things out there even the

2736
01:54:55,430 --> 01:54:53,679
canadian government the canadian air

2737
01:54:57,350 --> 01:54:55,440
force has things that they they're not

2738
01:54:59,030 --> 01:54:57,360
going to disclose

2739
01:55:02,149 --> 01:54:59,040
that that have happened

2740
01:55:03,750 --> 01:55:02,159
that they've they've filmed so

2741
01:55:10,550 --> 01:55:03,760
we have to get

2742
01:55:11,830 --> 01:55:10,560
to put pressure on

2743
01:55:13,990 --> 01:55:11,840
the military

2744
01:55:16,070 --> 01:55:14,000
to release these things now i understand

2745
01:55:18,629 --> 01:55:16,080
that there's a different branch because

2746
01:55:21,830 --> 01:55:18,639
the military is an executive branch but

2747
01:55:23,430 --> 01:55:21,840
there's there's things that you can uh

2748
01:55:24,149 --> 01:55:23,440
the methods

2749
01:55:26,149 --> 01:55:24,159
uh

2750
01:55:28,709 --> 01:55:26,159
the congress can take

2751
01:55:31,030 --> 01:55:28,719
to put pressure on the military

2752
01:55:33,030 --> 01:55:31,040
to release some of this stuff now if we

2753
01:55:35,350 --> 01:55:33,040
still had harry reid around

2754
01:55:37,750 --> 01:55:35,360
god bless his soul

2755
01:55:39,669 --> 01:55:37,760
and he was still in the senate

2756
01:55:43,030 --> 01:55:39,679
i think he could have done it but

2757
01:55:44,950 --> 01:55:43,040
unfortunately we don't have anybody

2758
01:55:46,629 --> 01:55:44,960
in the senate now

2759
01:55:49,589 --> 01:55:46,639
in in leadership

2760
01:55:52,709 --> 01:55:49,599
that that will do that well because

2761
01:55:55,750 --> 01:55:52,719
supposedly schumer dick schumer

2762
01:55:57,910 --> 01:55:55,760
and mcconnell uh were briefed to keep

2763
01:56:00,310 --> 01:55:57,920
their mouth shut that's what one of the

2764
01:56:01,589 --> 01:56:00,320
senators told us and they won't even

2765
01:56:03,910 --> 01:56:01,599
bring it up

2766
01:56:06,229 --> 01:56:03,920
in the senate so

2767
01:56:09,270 --> 01:56:06,239
that's what we have right now we have

2768
01:56:11,430 --> 01:56:09,280
we're we're making our efforts

2769
01:56:14,870 --> 01:56:11,440
to get disclosure

2770
01:56:16,149 --> 01:56:14,880
uh inside government but at this time

2771
01:56:18,229 --> 01:56:16,159
right now

2772
01:56:19,910 --> 01:56:18,239
uh there's a block

2773
01:56:20,629 --> 01:56:19,920
there's a there's a roadblock ahead of

2774
01:56:21,990 --> 01:56:20,639
us

2775
01:56:23,350 --> 01:56:22,000
now the

2776
01:56:25,589 --> 01:56:23,360
uh

2777
01:56:26,790 --> 01:56:25,599
the odni report that came out last

2778
01:56:28,790 --> 01:56:26,800
august

2779
01:56:31,270 --> 01:56:28,800
uh was that

2780
01:56:35,270 --> 01:56:31,280
well-crafted wordsmith

2781
01:56:36,870 --> 01:56:35,280
uh disinformation yeah i would say so

2782
01:56:38,470 --> 01:56:36,880
absolutely

2783
01:56:40,390 --> 01:56:38,480
i mean it caused the conversation to

2784
01:56:42,390 --> 01:56:40,400
swing in another direction in another

2785
01:56:45,430 --> 01:56:42,400
direction exactly yeah

2786
01:56:47,910 --> 01:56:45,440
and we've also missed um

2787
01:56:51,030 --> 01:56:47,920
and i've i've been watching

2788
01:56:54,870 --> 01:56:51,040
um some of the chatter out there and

2789
01:56:58,709 --> 01:56:54,880
from some very interesting uh accounts

2790
01:57:00,229 --> 01:56:58,719
um about uh the missing of

2791
01:57:02,790 --> 01:57:00,239
the report that we were supposed to

2792
01:57:05,430 --> 01:57:02,800
already have this year now we're sitting

2793
01:57:08,709 --> 01:57:05,440
on today is september 14th we missed the

2794
01:57:09,990 --> 01:57:08,719
six month window uh there's allegedly

2795
01:57:13,109 --> 01:57:10,000
one that's gonna come out around

2796
01:57:13,990 --> 01:57:13,119
halloween um uh october

2797
01:57:15,350 --> 01:57:14,000
uh

2798
01:57:16,390 --> 01:57:15,360
late october

2799
01:57:18,390 --> 01:57:16,400
um

2800
01:57:21,910 --> 01:57:18,400
and i'm wondering how that's gonna be

2801
01:57:23,270 --> 01:57:21,920
worded and and and you know again

2802
01:57:26,629 --> 01:57:23,280
because you

2803
01:57:27,430 --> 01:57:26,639
uh you're guiding the masses with this

2804
01:57:30,229 --> 01:57:27,440
and

2805
01:57:33,270 --> 01:57:30,239
engaging the comments not only here in

2806
01:57:35,109 --> 01:57:33,280
the ufo community but to our adversaries

2807
01:57:36,149 --> 01:57:35,119
around the world

2808
01:57:40,229 --> 01:57:36,159
well

2809
01:57:42,229 --> 01:57:40,239
we're working with a senator who has uh

2810
01:57:43,830 --> 01:57:42,239
who's informed us that some of the

2811
01:57:45,750 --> 01:57:43,840
information that they were going to

2812
01:57:47,910 --> 01:57:45,760
disclose

2813
01:57:49,669 --> 01:57:47,920
uh in a report

2814
01:57:51,189 --> 01:57:49,679
they had to clear it through uh the

2815
01:57:55,669 --> 01:57:51,199
military

2816
01:57:56,950 --> 01:57:55,679
extracted redacted

2817
01:57:59,270 --> 01:57:56,960
uh

2818
01:58:01,830 --> 01:57:59,280
many paragraphs in that and i don't know

2819
01:58:03,350 --> 01:58:01,840
how long the document was but they they

2820
01:58:05,189 --> 01:58:03,360
they

2821
01:58:08,149 --> 01:58:05,199
redacted it

2822
01:58:09,990 --> 01:58:08,159
so all the good stuff all the meat of

2823
01:58:10,790 --> 01:58:10,000
that report that was supposed to come

2824
01:58:13,589 --> 01:58:10,800
out

2825
01:58:16,229 --> 01:58:13,599
uh this in september

2826
01:58:17,910 --> 01:58:16,239
uh has been uh redacted by the

2827
01:58:19,589 --> 01:58:17,920
government by the military by

2828
01:58:21,189 --> 01:58:19,599
intelligence community

2829
01:58:24,070 --> 01:58:21,199
because

2830
01:58:25,589 --> 01:58:24,080
there it discloses sources and methods

2831
01:58:27,350 --> 01:58:25,599
which i don't think it does i don't know

2832
01:58:30,070 --> 01:58:27,360
i didn't read it i don't know what it

2833
01:58:33,270 --> 01:58:30,870
but

2834
01:58:35,109 --> 01:58:33,280
some of the aides some of the staff

2835
01:58:38,390 --> 01:58:35,119
members

2836
01:58:41,669 --> 01:58:40,950
tried to write it in a manner

2837
01:58:44,149 --> 01:58:41,679
that

2838
01:58:46,310 --> 01:58:44,159
was avoiding any kind of classification

2839
01:58:47,830 --> 01:58:46,320
but

2840
01:58:49,109 --> 01:58:47,840
the government didn't i guess the

2841
01:58:50,790 --> 01:58:49,119
military didn't want it or the u.s

2842
01:58:52,550 --> 01:58:50,800
intelligence didn't want it so i don't

2843
01:58:55,350 --> 01:58:52,560
know where we are right now

2844
01:58:57,990 --> 01:58:55,360
what about uh this uh the second is

2845
01:59:00,550 --> 01:58:58,000
there gonna be a second ufo hearing

2846
01:59:01,990 --> 01:59:00,560
and will it be by the house or will it

2847
01:59:03,589 --> 01:59:02,000
kick up

2848
01:59:05,750 --> 01:59:03,599
a level to the senate and the senate

2849
01:59:07,109 --> 01:59:05,760
intelligence committee it's supposed to

2850
01:59:10,149 --> 01:59:07,119
be the senate

2851
01:59:11,990 --> 01:59:10,159
they they they had a plan for the senate

2852
01:59:13,750 --> 01:59:12,000
to hold hearings because the first one

2853
01:59:15,830 --> 01:59:13,760
was a congress a house of

2854
01:59:18,470 --> 01:59:15,840
representatives this one is supposed to

2855
01:59:20,070 --> 01:59:18,480
be done by the senate the senate

2856
01:59:21,990 --> 01:59:20,080
intelligence committee

2857
01:59:24,310 --> 01:59:22,000
but that was blocked

2858
01:59:29,109 --> 01:59:26,629
chuck schumer who's in charge of the

2859
01:59:31,350 --> 01:59:29,119
senate right now

2860
01:59:33,189 --> 01:59:31,360
i guess because of of what's occurring

2861
01:59:34,950 --> 01:59:33,199
within the government and

2862
01:59:36,870 --> 01:59:34,960
and they want to keep some of these

2863
01:59:41,430 --> 01:59:36,880
other things uh

2864
01:59:44,070 --> 01:59:41,440
uh the uh the january sixth hearings and

2865
01:59:46,709 --> 01:59:44,080
and so and things like that open more

2866
01:59:47,510 --> 01:59:46,719
open and available and plus

2867
01:59:49,589 --> 01:59:47,520
uh

2868
01:59:52,229 --> 01:59:49,599
the senators are going to be

2869
01:59:54,229 --> 01:59:52,239
uh leaving here shortly

2870
01:59:56,390 --> 01:59:54,239
for campaigning because you know there's

2871
01:59:58,390 --> 01:59:56,400
an election this year so

2872
01:59:59,910 --> 01:59:58,400
i don't think we're going to see it and

2873
02:00:01,990 --> 01:59:59,920
unfortunately we're not we're not going

2874
02:00:03,750 --> 02:00:02,000
to see it i think the senate hearings

2875
02:00:05,990 --> 02:00:03,760
because we were more involved our group

2876
02:00:08,390 --> 02:00:06,000
was more involved in that in our senate

2877
02:00:10,470 --> 02:00:08,400
hearings and we were going to really we

2878
02:00:11,750 --> 02:00:10,480
had some excellent questions that we

2879
02:00:13,830 --> 02:00:11,760
were going to pose

2880
02:00:17,430 --> 02:00:13,840
to whoever the intelligence community

2881
02:00:19,430 --> 02:00:17,440
placed uh in front of the the hearing

2882
02:00:20,149 --> 02:00:19,440
and i understand there was going to be a

2883
02:00:33,109 --> 02:00:20,159
a

2884
02:00:35,030 --> 02:00:33,119
point

2885
02:00:37,430 --> 02:00:35,040
which is a very i mean it's it's

2886
02:00:40,149 --> 02:00:37,440
frustrating to people out here who

2887
02:00:42,470 --> 02:00:40,159
really want disclosure i mean we could

2888
02:00:45,350 --> 02:00:42,480
have disclosure without

2889
02:00:47,030 --> 02:00:45,360
disrupting the intelligence community

2890
02:00:49,510 --> 02:00:47,040
about disrupting

2891
02:00:52,310 --> 02:00:49,520
research and development just the fact

2892
02:00:54,550 --> 02:00:52,320
that yes we've been visited

2893
02:00:56,470 --> 02:00:54,560
we have obtained

2894
02:00:58,229 --> 02:00:56,480
uh materials

2895
02:00:59,750 --> 02:00:58,239
uh from

2896
02:01:01,910 --> 02:00:59,760
the ets

2897
02:01:03,990 --> 02:01:01,920
uh just those things those basic things

2898
02:01:05,669 --> 02:01:04,000
that we want to know the public wanna

2899
02:01:08,390 --> 02:01:05,679
know wants to know

2900
02:01:10,709 --> 02:01:08,400
and we can we could just do disclosure

2901
02:01:12,390 --> 02:01:10,719
without harming the government

2902
02:01:14,390 --> 02:01:12,400
and and and

2903
02:01:17,030 --> 02:01:14,400
how it was collected

2904
02:01:19,270 --> 02:01:17,040
and uh and and anything else that would

2905
02:01:21,430 --> 02:01:19,280
be there but in the interest of national

2906
02:01:23,109 --> 02:01:21,440
security certainly let's take our break

2907
02:01:24,709 --> 02:01:23,119
right now rick i've got to get this in

2908
02:01:26,950 --> 02:01:24,719
this is fade to black i'm your host

2909
02:01:28,629 --> 02:01:26,960
jimmy church i guess tonight's been an

2910
02:01:31,189 --> 02:01:28,639
explosive show

2911
02:01:33,990 --> 02:01:31,199
rick dodie

2912
02:01:35,189 --> 02:01:34,000
art bell at area 51.

2913
02:01:36,610 --> 02:01:35,199
i'm going to leave that right there

2914
02:01:44,310 --> 02:01:36,620
we'll be right back

2915
02:01:55,350 --> 02:01:44,320
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2979
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2980
02:05:14,070 --> 02:05:11,840
welcome back fade to block i'm not super

2981
02:05:16,310 --> 02:05:14,080
sure tonight rick dodi is with us

2982
02:05:18,550 --> 02:05:16,320
i can't handle it

2983
02:05:21,990 --> 02:05:18,560
i can't take it anymore

2984
02:05:24,229 --> 02:05:22,000
ben incredible incredible rick um

2985
02:05:26,950 --> 02:05:24,239
uh what a great conversation tonight and

2986
02:05:27,910 --> 02:05:26,960
uh i want to uh flip things around if i

2987
02:05:30,870 --> 02:05:27,920
can

2988
02:05:32,470 --> 02:05:30,880
um recently uh

2989
02:05:34,470 --> 02:05:32,480
john greenwald

2990
02:05:36,310 --> 02:05:34,480
and the black vault

2991
02:05:39,270 --> 02:05:36,320
uh presented uh

2992
02:05:41,350 --> 02:05:39,280
a video that that i watched about

2993
02:05:43,589 --> 02:05:41,360
um i'm just going to call it i don't

2994
02:05:46,709 --> 02:05:43,599
have the exact name and i'll i'll leave

2995
02:05:48,950 --> 02:05:46,719
that up to john but it's a document uh

2996
02:05:50,870 --> 02:05:48,960
and everybody can go and watch it over

2997
02:05:55,030 --> 02:05:50,880
on on the youtube channel

2998
02:05:57,189 --> 02:05:55,040
it's a operations manual guide on on

2999
02:05:59,350 --> 02:05:57,199
classifications

3000
02:06:00,870 --> 02:05:59,360
and dealing with

3001
02:06:02,470 --> 02:06:00,880
uap

3002
02:06:04,950 --> 02:06:02,480
and in this

3003
02:06:06,629 --> 02:06:04,960
guide um

3004
02:06:08,629 --> 02:06:06,639
it i

3005
02:06:11,430 --> 02:06:08,639
i'm going to paraphrase

3006
02:06:13,189 --> 02:06:11,440
go and watch john's video

3007
02:06:17,189 --> 02:06:13,199
because it's excellent

3008
02:06:19,189 --> 02:06:17,199
um but that all the all uap data

3009
02:06:20,790 --> 02:06:19,199
everything needs to be classified

3010
02:06:22,149 --> 02:06:20,800
this stuff doesn't need to go out into

3011
02:06:24,950 --> 02:06:22,159
the public and if that's what it's

3012
02:06:27,109 --> 02:06:24,960
dealing and now i'm paraphrasing but the

3013
02:06:27,910 --> 02:06:27,119
overall arching

3014
02:06:33,430 --> 02:06:27,920
uh

3015
02:06:35,350 --> 02:06:33,440
and this is for

3016
02:06:37,830 --> 02:06:35,360
the department of defense and and for

3017
02:06:41,910 --> 02:06:37,840
the three letter agencies um i think

3018
02:06:44,069 --> 02:06:41,920
that this is um a pretty big deal the

3019
02:06:47,510 --> 02:06:44,079
community itself i don't think is

3020
02:06:49,910 --> 02:06:47,520
is as aware of it as they should be

3021
02:06:51,350 --> 02:06:49,920
but does that alarm you that this kind

3022
02:06:54,629 --> 02:06:51,360
of document

3023
02:06:56,709 --> 02:06:54,639
is is written and who wrote it and

3024
02:06:58,390 --> 02:06:56,719
and i'm wondering if the author of this

3025
02:07:00,390 --> 02:06:58,400
could possibly

3026
02:07:03,189 --> 02:07:00,400
you know be out there on social media

3027
02:07:05,109 --> 02:07:03,199
and engaging things and seeing how

3028
02:07:07,510 --> 02:07:05,119
uh stuff is being dealt with and they

3029
02:07:09,270 --> 02:07:07,520
just want to just close this uap issue

3030
02:07:11,589 --> 02:07:09,280
down

3031
02:07:12,950 --> 02:07:11,599
well classification

3032
02:07:15,350 --> 02:07:12,960
authority

3033
02:07:17,030 --> 02:07:15,360
rests with um

3034
02:07:19,270 --> 02:07:17,040
a number of different agencies people

3035
02:07:21,910 --> 02:07:19,280
can different agencies can classify

3036
02:07:24,470 --> 02:07:21,920
things but the governing directive is

3037
02:07:29,270 --> 02:07:24,480
dod regulation 5200 and that's what

3038
02:07:32,470 --> 02:07:29,280
you're talking about it uh dictates when

3039
02:07:34,069 --> 02:07:32,480
uh something needs to be classified

3040
02:07:36,950 --> 02:07:34,079
how it's supposed to be classified

3041
02:07:38,950 --> 02:07:36,960
whether it's going to be top secret

3042
02:07:41,350 --> 02:07:38,960
with the caveats

3043
02:07:43,430 --> 02:07:41,360
with special access

3044
02:07:45,109 --> 02:07:43,440
whether or whether they're going to be

3045
02:07:47,910 --> 02:07:45,119
secret

3046
02:07:49,910 --> 02:07:47,920
uh or confidential which is the lowest

3047
02:07:51,109 --> 02:07:49,920
classification you can get

3048
02:07:52,790 --> 02:07:51,119
and then there's of course special

3049
02:07:55,350 --> 02:07:52,800
categories such as

3050
02:07:57,510 --> 02:07:55,360
if it if it dealt with nuclear

3051
02:08:00,790 --> 02:07:57,520
weapons it would be restricted data and

3052
02:08:03,990 --> 02:08:00,800
so forth and so on anyways uh

3053
02:08:05,990 --> 02:08:04,000
i get you and i do i do think that this

3054
02:08:06,790 --> 02:08:06,000
is the danger

3055
02:08:08,390 --> 02:08:06,800
when

3056
02:08:11,589 --> 02:08:08,400
the government

3057
02:08:14,950 --> 02:08:11,599
uh starts thinking that everything

3058
02:08:17,750 --> 02:08:14,960
especially anything to do with uaps

3059
02:08:19,589 --> 02:08:17,760
uh will be classified that's that's

3060
02:08:22,709 --> 02:08:19,599
ridiculous number one

3061
02:08:25,270 --> 02:08:22,719
it's already out there in the public

3062
02:08:28,550 --> 02:08:25,280
uh the tic-neck videos the the nimitz

3063
02:08:30,550 --> 02:08:28,560
incident the roosevelt incident the some

3064
02:08:32,069 --> 02:08:30,560
of these other incidents

3065
02:08:33,589 --> 02:08:32,079
that have been filmed and released

3066
02:08:36,069 --> 02:08:33,599
that's in the public

3067
02:08:38,470 --> 02:08:36,079
it's very difficult to come back and say

3068
02:08:40,229 --> 02:08:38,480
put the genie back in the bottle yeah

3069
02:08:43,350 --> 02:08:40,239
right right

3070
02:08:44,470 --> 02:08:43,360
yeah so yeah it worries me it really

3071
02:08:45,270 --> 02:08:44,480
worries me

3072
02:08:48,790 --> 02:08:45,280
that

3073
02:08:51,270 --> 02:08:48,800
the government is is collapsing

3074
02:08:53,350 --> 02:08:51,280
uh i think because of space command i

3075
02:08:54,629 --> 02:08:53,360
mean a space force

3076
02:08:55,750 --> 02:08:54,639
that now they're going to classify

3077
02:09:00,149 --> 02:08:55,760
everything

3078
02:09:02,390 --> 02:09:00,159
um and what do you make of uh

3079
02:09:05,750 --> 02:09:02,400
this okay

3080
02:09:08,470 --> 02:09:05,760
what's going on today in a very small

3081
02:09:11,910 --> 02:09:08,480
segment uh i might add of of social

3082
02:09:13,030 --> 02:09:11,920
media it's not all of ufology

3083
02:09:15,750 --> 02:09:13,040
but

3084
02:09:18,310 --> 02:09:15,760
the ability to get

3085
02:09:21,510 --> 02:09:18,320
uh ufo researchers that have been at

3086
02:09:23,109 --> 02:09:21,520
this game for a long time ufology is

3087
02:09:25,990 --> 02:09:23,119
decades old

3088
02:09:27,750 --> 02:09:26,000
it's not twitter old right it's not

3089
02:09:30,149 --> 02:09:27,760
social media old

3090
02:09:31,430 --> 02:09:30,159
um uh but

3091
02:09:34,390 --> 02:09:31,440
this is something that was very

3092
02:09:36,950 --> 02:09:34,400
effective in the in the past was to get

3093
02:09:40,149 --> 02:09:36,960
uh different researchers with different

3094
02:09:41,510 --> 02:09:40,159
ideas and and and different data

3095
02:09:43,910 --> 02:09:41,520
in fighting

3096
02:09:45,270 --> 02:09:43,920
right and and that's very effective

3097
02:09:48,229 --> 02:09:45,280
right yeah

3098
02:09:49,510 --> 02:09:48,239
and and uh i see that going on today

3099
02:09:51,669 --> 02:09:49,520
it's it's it's

3100
02:09:53,750 --> 02:09:51,679
it's uh it's it's straight from the

3101
02:09:57,510 --> 02:09:53,760
playbook isn't it

3102
02:09:58,550 --> 02:09:57,520
oh absolutely there's there's more harm

3103
02:10:01,109 --> 02:09:58,560
done

3104
02:10:03,750 --> 02:10:01,119
from within the ufo community to

3105
02:10:06,550 --> 02:10:03,760
themselves than anybody could done the

3106
02:10:08,709 --> 02:10:06,560
outside like phil class said at that ufo

3107
02:10:11,350 --> 02:10:08,719
convention in 2006

3108
02:10:13,030 --> 02:10:11,360
you people do more harm

3109
02:10:15,350 --> 02:10:13,040
fighting amongst themselves than i could

3110
02:10:16,390 --> 02:10:15,360
ever do from the outside i mean and and

3111
02:10:18,229 --> 02:10:16,400
that's true

3112
02:10:20,069 --> 02:10:18,239
and it's true it's it

3113
02:10:21,990 --> 02:10:20,079
i just get a kick out of

3114
02:10:24,069 --> 02:10:22,000
these ufo conventions and you and i have

3115
02:10:25,350 --> 02:10:24,079
been there and we've listened to some of

3116
02:10:28,310 --> 02:10:25,360
these people

3117
02:10:31,350 --> 02:10:28,320
uh argue back and forth over something

3118
02:10:33,189 --> 02:10:31,360
because of a book or something like that

3119
02:10:35,430 --> 02:10:33,199
and uh

3120
02:10:38,550 --> 02:10:35,440
so so yeah it's it's

3121
02:10:42,629 --> 02:10:38,560
they do more harm i mean if if the ufo

3122
02:10:44,149 --> 02:10:42,639
community could unite i mean fully unite

3123
02:10:44,950 --> 02:10:44,159
behind a

3124
02:10:48,790 --> 02:10:44,960
a

3125
02:10:50,310 --> 02:10:48,800
disclosure pro

3126
02:10:51,589 --> 02:10:50,320
program

3127
02:10:53,669 --> 02:10:51,599
um

3128
02:10:55,189 --> 02:10:53,679
i think that would that would that would

3129
02:10:56,390 --> 02:10:55,199
help

3130
02:10:57,750 --> 02:10:56,400
the government

3131
02:10:59,270 --> 02:10:57,760
seeing this

3132
02:11:00,709 --> 02:10:59,280
but

3133
02:11:03,270 --> 02:11:00,719
listening to

3134
02:11:05,189 --> 02:11:03,280
even during those hearings

3135
02:11:06,069 --> 02:11:05,199
um

3136
02:11:07,589 --> 02:11:06,079
those

3137
02:11:11,109 --> 02:11:07,599
congressmen

3138
02:11:13,189 --> 02:11:11,119
they got their questions from ufo people

3139
02:11:16,550 --> 02:11:13,199
and some of the questions you could read

3140
02:11:17,350 --> 02:11:16,560
those questions where they came from yep

3141
02:11:18,069 --> 02:11:17,360
yeah

3142
02:11:22,790 --> 02:11:18,079
and

3143
02:11:26,149 --> 02:11:22,800
the same thing i mean we're forming

3144
02:11:27,669 --> 02:11:26,159
questions for the senators to ask and so

3145
02:11:30,149 --> 02:11:27,679
you know we're probably just as blame

3146
02:11:31,589 --> 02:11:30,159
much as blame but we're centering our

3147
02:11:33,910 --> 02:11:31,599
questions

3148
02:11:35,589 --> 02:11:33,920
around really legitimate

3149
02:11:38,629 --> 02:11:35,599
uh

3150
02:11:41,109 --> 02:11:38,639
events that happened and let these

3151
02:11:44,149 --> 02:11:41,119
people not we're not talking

3152
02:11:46,550 --> 02:11:44,159
generalities or philosophies

3153
02:11:48,390 --> 02:11:46,560
we're talking about actual events

3154
02:11:51,030 --> 02:11:48,400
and we want to we want to know about

3155
02:11:53,270 --> 02:11:51,040
these events we want to know really what

3156
02:11:55,669 --> 02:11:53,280
happened at roswell i mean i read about

3157
02:11:58,229 --> 02:11:55,679
it i know what happened let's talk about

3158
02:12:01,669 --> 02:11:58,239
randall sign forest let's you know what

3159
02:12:03,910 --> 02:12:01,679
let's see what really happened there

3160
02:12:06,709 --> 02:12:03,920
that is still classified i mean the osi

3161
02:12:09,030 --> 02:12:06,719
report is is still classified top secret

3162
02:12:11,750 --> 02:12:09,040
it's not going to be disclosed and and

3163
02:12:15,750 --> 02:12:11,760
the port the portion that was released

3164
02:12:17,990 --> 02:12:15,760
uh you know the 63 pages uh you know 54

3165
02:12:19,669 --> 02:12:18,000
were redacted all black you can't read

3166
02:12:21,270 --> 02:12:19,679
anything you can't even tell where it

3167
02:12:24,550 --> 02:12:21,280
happened so

3168
02:12:26,870 --> 02:12:24,560
we we need to these things happen before

3169
02:12:29,109 --> 02:12:26,880
they happened in the past

3170
02:12:31,430 --> 02:12:29,119
let's let's start disclosure with what

3171
02:12:34,229 --> 02:12:31,440
happened in the past and then work up to

3172
02:12:37,990 --> 02:12:34,239
the present time that's the legitimate

3173
02:12:39,189 --> 02:12:38,000
uh method we think the disclosure should

3174
02:12:40,790 --> 02:12:39,199
should work

3175
02:12:42,629 --> 02:12:40,800
now there's another thing that's going

3176
02:12:45,750 --> 02:12:42,639
on in social media

3177
02:12:47,910 --> 02:12:45,760
and it's it's it's it's cross-platforms

3178
02:12:52,229 --> 02:12:47,920
it's it's it's all there

3179
02:12:53,350 --> 02:12:52,239
you are going to the ufo community in

3180
02:12:54,790 --> 02:12:53,360
general

3181
02:12:57,830 --> 02:12:54,800
does not trust

3182
02:12:59,189 --> 02:12:57,840
anybody involved with the government of

3183
02:13:01,750 --> 02:12:59,199
the department of defense because

3184
02:13:03,430 --> 02:13:01,760
they've been ridiculed for years

3185
02:13:04,870 --> 02:13:03,440
they have been teased they have been

3186
02:13:06,790 --> 02:13:04,880
lied to

3187
02:13:08,629 --> 02:13:06,800
and trust is something that is going to

3188
02:13:10,550 --> 02:13:08,639
come over time it's not going to happen

3189
02:13:11,990 --> 02:13:10,560
in a couple of years it's just not going

3190
02:13:15,830 --> 02:13:12,000
to be there

3191
02:13:18,390 --> 02:13:15,840
and then when you see what is going on

3192
02:13:21,189 --> 02:13:18,400
with the ufo hearings and and these

3193
02:13:23,109 --> 02:13:21,199
reports and and these claims coming out

3194
02:13:25,030 --> 02:13:23,119
of uh you know the navy and the

3195
02:13:28,629 --> 02:13:25,040
department of defense and and these

3196
02:13:31,189 --> 02:13:28,639
statements uh that that

3197
02:13:32,790 --> 02:13:31,199
washington is now our friend it's not

3198
02:13:36,069 --> 02:13:32,800
going to happen overnight

3199
02:13:38,709 --> 02:13:36,079
and and i see this ebb and flow going on

3200
02:13:41,510 --> 02:13:38,719
in in social media and comments from

3201
02:13:43,510 --> 02:13:41,520
from others that there is no way if

3202
02:13:46,069 --> 02:13:43,520
disclosure happens that's fine and we've

3203
02:13:48,229 --> 02:13:46,079
got to keep the pressure on but but

3204
02:13:52,149 --> 02:13:48,239
there is nobody associated with

3205
02:13:54,229 --> 02:13:52,159
washington dc that is our friend

3206
02:13:56,629 --> 02:13:54,239
oh i agree with you 100

3207
02:13:57,669 --> 02:13:56,639
jimmy you you're right right you're

3208
02:14:00,790 --> 02:13:57,679
right

3209
02:14:05,750 --> 02:14:01,750
what we

3210
02:14:08,069 --> 02:14:05,760
what can we do what how can we unite

3211
02:14:10,310 --> 02:14:08,079
the ufo community

3212
02:14:13,350 --> 02:14:10,320
we tried i've tried i've spoken

3213
02:14:16,069 --> 02:14:13,360
conventions uh i've uh

3214
02:14:18,069 --> 02:14:16,079
i've befriended a lot of people that

3215
02:14:20,870 --> 02:14:18,079
really were against me

3216
02:14:22,069 --> 02:14:20,880
uh i've moved closer

3217
02:14:24,310 --> 02:14:22,079
i i

3218
02:14:27,030 --> 02:14:24,320
interact with people

3219
02:14:28,709 --> 02:14:27,040
uh you know you and i years ago wouldn't

3220
02:14:30,790 --> 02:14:28,719
have been friends we're friends now i

3221
02:14:32,310 --> 02:14:30,800
love you jimmy i mean you're a great guy

3222
02:14:34,870 --> 02:14:32,320
we have our differences we had our

3223
02:14:37,510 --> 02:14:34,880
differences in the past but and we can

3224
02:14:39,350 --> 02:14:37,520
sit down and talk like like men to men

3225
02:14:41,589 --> 02:14:39,360
you know hey you know this is what i've

3226
02:14:42,790 --> 02:14:41,599
done and this is what i admit to

3227
02:14:45,430 --> 02:14:42,800
there's a lot of things i did in the

3228
02:14:47,270 --> 02:14:45,440
past and i'll admit uh that that wasn't

3229
02:14:48,790 --> 02:14:47,280
pleasant but i had a job to do i was

3230
02:14:51,109 --> 02:14:48,800
told to do this

3231
02:14:53,589 --> 02:14:51,119
and and so and there's people out there

3232
02:14:56,229 --> 02:14:53,599
that that are like me that

3233
02:14:58,870 --> 02:14:56,239
that want the truth out there

3234
02:15:00,390 --> 02:14:58,880
and want it presented in a way

3235
02:15:01,830 --> 02:15:00,400
that is is

3236
02:15:03,189 --> 02:15:01,840
believable

3237
02:15:04,950 --> 02:15:03,199
and

3238
02:15:06,550 --> 02:15:04,960
the government

3239
02:15:08,550 --> 02:15:06,560
i don't think they'll they're gonna do

3240
02:15:10,870 --> 02:15:08,560
it

3241
02:15:13,910 --> 02:15:10,880
you know and the government plays

3242
02:15:15,910 --> 02:15:13,920
like you said earlier they play the ufo

3243
02:15:18,550 --> 02:15:15,920
community against each other the gov

3244
02:15:21,030 --> 02:15:18,560
it's easy to do it's it's a it's a

3245
02:15:23,350 --> 02:15:21,040
different disinformation campaign but

3246
02:15:25,109 --> 02:15:23,360
it's the easiest disinformation campaign

3247
02:15:27,189 --> 02:15:25,119
you could ever run

3248
02:15:29,350 --> 02:15:27,199
because of social media

3249
02:15:32,149 --> 02:15:29,360
you can you can

3250
02:15:34,709 --> 02:15:32,159
plant one particular ufo group against

3251
02:15:37,750 --> 02:15:34,719
another or one particular person within

3252
02:15:40,229 --> 02:15:37,760
the ufo group against another uh it's

3253
02:15:41,910 --> 02:15:40,239
easy to do and i think the government

3254
02:15:44,709 --> 02:15:41,920
when they want to generate some

3255
02:15:46,870 --> 02:15:44,719
animosity amongst the ufo group that's

3256
02:15:49,109 --> 02:15:46,880
exactly what they do

3257
02:15:52,629 --> 02:15:49,119
well i i noticed something

3258
02:15:55,109 --> 02:15:52,639
uh probably about six seven years ago

3259
02:15:56,149 --> 02:15:55,119
you know before ttsa before the current

3260
02:15:59,430 --> 02:15:56,159
drama

3261
02:16:00,950 --> 02:15:59,440
and uh and how funny that ttsa has gone

3262
02:16:03,910 --> 02:16:00,960
right

3263
02:16:05,109 --> 02:16:03,920
with everything uh that happened in 2017

3264
02:16:07,669 --> 02:16:05,119
here we are

3265
02:16:11,030 --> 02:16:07,679
uh didn't take long uh to have that go

3266
02:16:13,910 --> 02:16:11,040
away but before all of that

3267
02:16:15,990 --> 02:16:13,920
i would hear

3268
02:16:19,189 --> 02:16:16,000
comments from people

3269
02:16:20,709 --> 02:16:19,199
going jimmy uh somebody just said

3270
02:16:22,709 --> 02:16:20,719
and you know they would say my name i

3271
02:16:24,950 --> 02:16:22,719
said what what

3272
02:16:26,709 --> 02:16:24,960
i had nothing you know i'm like wait a

3273
02:16:28,310 --> 02:16:26,719
minute and then i would hear it again

3274
02:16:31,830 --> 02:16:28,320
i'd hear it again

3275
02:16:33,190 --> 02:16:31,840
and i stepped back rick i swear on all

3276
02:16:35,509 --> 02:16:33,200
that is holy

3277
02:16:37,830 --> 02:16:35,519
i stepped back and went

3278
02:16:40,309 --> 02:16:37,840
there's games being played

3279
02:16:43,110 --> 02:16:40,319
right now there are games being played

3280
02:16:45,750 --> 02:16:43,120
people saying things you know and that

3281
02:16:47,990 --> 02:16:45,760
that i know that i i didn't speak to

3282
02:16:49,030 --> 02:16:48,000
that person or i didn't say this or i

3283
02:16:51,349 --> 02:16:49,040
didn't do that

3284
02:16:54,070 --> 02:16:51,359
that it was all bs

3285
02:16:57,270 --> 02:16:54,080
but and it continues right now right

3286
02:16:59,349 --> 02:16:57,280
through 2022. and i you know and i i

3287
02:17:02,469 --> 02:16:59,359
just i just see it and it's not just

3288
02:17:05,270 --> 02:17:02,479
with me it's with a a whole variety

3289
02:17:07,910 --> 02:17:05,280
of people uh where this is this is going

3290
02:17:09,030 --> 02:17:07,920
on and you know and i i i know the

3291
02:17:11,589 --> 02:17:09,040
sources

3292
02:17:15,270 --> 02:17:11,599
you know it it's very easy to

3293
02:17:17,190 --> 02:17:15,280
triangulate uh this stuff back and

3294
02:17:20,389 --> 02:17:17,200
and all i do is operate with squinty

3295
02:17:23,110 --> 02:17:20,399
eyes you know and see how this plays out

3296
02:17:24,389 --> 02:17:23,120
well there's uh

3297
02:17:25,830 --> 02:17:24,399
you know there's a lot of people that

3298
02:17:29,750 --> 02:17:25,840
don't like me but there's there's a lot

3299
02:17:30,790 --> 02:17:29,760
of people who don't like you too jimmy

3300
02:17:33,110 --> 02:17:30,800
because uh

3301
02:17:35,190 --> 02:17:33,120
when when the word got out i was going

3302
02:17:37,030 --> 02:17:35,200
on your show i got a lot of emails

3303
02:17:38,629 --> 02:17:37,040
saying why do you want to go on jimmy's

3304
02:17:41,509 --> 02:17:38,639
show why do you want to go on fade to

3305
02:17:43,110 --> 02:17:41,519
black i said i like jimmy i've you know

3306
02:17:45,990 --> 02:17:43,120
i've been fences with him i've been to

3307
02:17:47,349 --> 02:17:46,000
ufo conventions i've been i mean

3308
02:17:50,629 --> 02:17:47,359
i

3309
02:17:52,709 --> 02:17:50,639
drunk together but

3310
02:17:54,709 --> 02:17:52,719
yeah we did we did

3311
02:17:57,669 --> 02:17:54,719
but but you know

3312
02:18:00,150 --> 02:17:57,679
you you i

3313
02:18:01,830 --> 02:18:00,160
you air it the way it's supposed to be

3314
02:18:02,950 --> 02:18:01,840
aired there's other people out there

3315
02:18:05,030 --> 02:18:02,960
that don't

3316
02:18:07,750 --> 02:18:05,040
and i think people

3317
02:18:10,230 --> 02:18:07,760
uh discredit you because

3318
02:18:12,150 --> 02:18:10,240
you ask a lot of questions

3319
02:18:13,270 --> 02:18:12,160
you don't you're not gullible

3320
02:18:15,669 --> 02:18:13,280
yeah and

3321
02:18:18,389 --> 02:18:15,679
and here's the other thing um

3322
02:18:22,389 --> 02:18:18,399
uh i'm not here to ruffle feathers and i

3323
02:18:26,309 --> 02:18:22,399
i i don't um i don't cause trouble it's

3324
02:18:29,830 --> 02:18:26,319
not in my nature um i'm i'm more about

3325
02:18:31,270 --> 02:18:29,840
learning and i and i'm trying to get to

3326
02:18:33,349 --> 02:18:31,280
you know the end of the road on this

3327
02:18:35,750 --> 02:18:33,359
thing and that's that's my goal

3328
02:18:36,709 --> 02:18:35,760
um and that frustrates people

3329
02:18:40,070 --> 02:18:36,719
that

3330
02:18:40,950 --> 02:18:40,080
and and and and i get it um i can't be

3331
02:18:44,709 --> 02:18:40,960
bought

3332
02:18:47,030 --> 02:18:44,719
right i can't well send me a guitar

3333
02:18:47,830 --> 02:18:47,040
i'll get you on the show but

3334
02:18:52,150 --> 02:18:47,840
but

3335
02:18:54,309 --> 02:18:52,160
i am my own person and there are people

3336
02:18:57,830 --> 02:18:54,319
out there that are very frustrated uh

3337
02:18:59,669 --> 02:18:57,840
about that uh they don't get it if uh

3338
02:19:00,629 --> 02:18:59,679
rick this is the truth

3339
02:19:03,589 --> 02:19:00,639
um

3340
02:19:05,830 --> 02:19:03,599
and i'm not in any way speaking from an

3341
02:19:07,349 --> 02:19:05,840
egocentric uh

3342
02:19:10,870 --> 02:19:07,359
state of mind here

3343
02:19:14,309 --> 02:19:10,880
if anybody walked a day in my shoes

3344
02:19:15,830 --> 02:19:14,319
and saw what i actually did

3345
02:19:19,750 --> 02:19:15,840
they would have a completely different

3346
02:19:21,349 --> 02:19:19,760
opinion completely they thought oh okay

3347
02:19:23,110 --> 02:19:21,359
completely different

3348
02:19:24,549 --> 02:19:23,120
and uh but

3349
02:19:27,270 --> 02:19:24,559
but

3350
02:19:28,469 --> 02:19:27,280
they can't and they don't so they write

3351
02:19:30,950 --> 02:19:28,479
their own

3352
02:19:31,910 --> 02:19:30,960
idea of what's really going on and who i

3353
02:19:35,589 --> 02:19:31,920
am and

3354
02:19:37,750 --> 02:19:35,599
and because i don't i don't uh run my

3355
02:19:40,309 --> 02:19:37,760
mouth and and and say things out in

3356
02:19:41,270 --> 02:19:40,319
public i'm not posting in social media

3357
02:19:43,030 --> 02:19:41,280
i'm not

3358
02:19:45,669 --> 02:19:43,040
you know what i mean i don't do that so

3359
02:19:49,190 --> 02:19:45,679
they don't have any ammunition to say

3360
02:19:51,110 --> 02:19:49,200
anything so they make it up and uh it's

3361
02:19:52,790 --> 02:19:51,120
it's just the way it is and and here's

3362
02:19:54,070 --> 02:19:52,800
the other thing that really pisses

3363
02:19:57,270 --> 02:19:54,080
people off

3364
02:20:03,270 --> 02:19:57,280
i don't give a crap

3365
02:20:05,429 --> 02:20:03,280
don't read it i don't hear it

3366
02:20:07,830 --> 02:20:05,439
i don't watch your stuff i don't read

3367
02:20:10,070 --> 02:20:07,840
your stuff i don't read your i just

3368
02:20:11,830 --> 02:20:10,080
don't i don't give a crap you know this

3369
02:20:14,469 --> 02:20:11,840
show was just done

3370
02:20:16,950 --> 02:20:14,479
uh with you and i talking and that's it

3371
02:20:20,469 --> 02:20:16,960
without any outside influences that's it

3372
02:20:23,429 --> 02:20:20,479
that's it it makes people angry

3373
02:20:24,550 --> 02:20:23,439
oh it does it does it especially

3374
02:20:25,990 --> 02:20:24,560
uh

3375
02:20:34,230 --> 02:20:26,000
knowing you don't really give a [\h__\h]

3376
02:20:38,550 --> 02:20:36,630
i never swear on this show but

3377
02:20:40,469 --> 02:20:38,560
you know okay all right

3378
02:20:41,429 --> 02:20:40,479
everybody just freaked out jimmy just

3379
02:20:45,750 --> 02:20:41,439
said

3380
02:20:47,270 --> 02:20:45,760
the bad version of poo poo

3381
02:20:48,389 --> 02:20:47,280
well

3382
02:20:53,270 --> 02:20:48,399
we

3383
02:20:54,790 --> 02:20:53,280
i like your voice i mean i listen to

3384
02:20:56,389 --> 02:20:54,800
your show a lot

3385
02:21:01,190 --> 02:20:56,399
uh and

3386
02:21:02,950 --> 02:21:01,200
some i believe some i don't

3387
02:21:05,110 --> 02:21:02,960
uh you know and i'm up front with

3388
02:21:07,750 --> 02:21:05,120
somebody if i don't don't believe him

3389
02:21:09,830 --> 02:21:07,760
and and i like i like to be i like that

3390
02:21:11,510 --> 02:21:09,840
to be well and then

3391
02:21:14,230 --> 02:21:11,520
there's other entities

3392
02:21:15,670 --> 02:21:14,240
other ways to get get the word out and i

3393
02:21:19,190 --> 02:21:15,680
think

3394
02:21:21,110 --> 02:21:19,200
uh you know i i work at gaia as you will

3395
02:21:23,190 --> 02:21:21,120
be i don't know if i should say that or

3396
02:21:26,469 --> 02:21:23,200
not but

3397
02:21:29,349 --> 02:21:26,479
but that's this info

3398
02:21:32,389 --> 02:21:29,359
that's just info right there

3399
02:21:35,349 --> 02:21:32,399
you were given misinformation

3400
02:21:38,230 --> 02:21:35,359
okay but um uh continue

3401
02:21:40,309 --> 02:21:38,240
but but you know gaia has a good a

3402
02:21:41,349 --> 02:21:40,319
cosmic disclosure with emory smith i've

3403
02:21:43,750 --> 02:21:41,359
been on there

3404
02:21:45,030 --> 02:21:43,760
for several years i have like 45

3405
02:21:48,070 --> 02:21:45,040
episodes

3406
02:21:49,429 --> 02:21:48,080
um and some with with somebody else

3407
02:21:52,830 --> 02:21:49,439
another person

3408
02:21:56,230 --> 02:21:52,840
uh i've traveled the world i've been the

3409
02:21:57,590 --> 02:21:56,240
uk speaking i'm going back to the uk in

3410
02:21:58,630 --> 02:21:57,600
october

3411
02:22:00,469 --> 02:21:58,640
um

3412
02:22:02,630 --> 02:22:00,479
i'm trying to get the word out i'm

3413
02:22:04,070 --> 02:22:02,640
trying to get the word out you know i

3414
02:22:05,270 --> 02:22:04,080
don't use

3415
02:22:08,710 --> 02:22:05,280
uh

3416
02:22:11,910 --> 02:22:08,720
people anymore such as bill moore or

3417
02:22:16,870 --> 02:22:15,349
as disinformation people uh

3418
02:22:18,710 --> 02:22:16,880
that's that

3419
02:22:21,349 --> 02:22:18,720
era is over with

3420
02:22:24,070 --> 02:22:21,359
i try to convince people of that

3421
02:22:25,110 --> 02:22:24,080
i'm i'm the legitimate rick doty now i'm

3422
02:22:27,510 --> 02:22:25,120
i'm not

3423
02:22:30,230 --> 02:22:27,520
i don't spread this information

3424
02:22:31,750 --> 02:22:30,240
uh i couldn't have i couldn't be a gaia

3425
02:22:33,510 --> 02:22:31,760
i couldn't have worked for the institute

3426
02:22:34,710 --> 02:22:33,520
for advanced studies the years that i

3427
02:22:38,309 --> 02:22:34,720
worked there

3428
02:22:39,910 --> 02:22:38,319
if if i was one if i was that bad person

3429
02:22:41,910 --> 02:22:39,920
uh so

3430
02:22:45,190 --> 02:22:41,920
i want to get the word out i want to get

3431
02:22:47,429 --> 02:22:45,200
disclosure out in the best way we can

3432
02:22:49,590 --> 02:22:47,439
i want to get everything that we we've

3433
02:22:52,070 --> 02:22:49,600
done that we can legitimately talk about

3434
02:22:54,309 --> 02:22:52,080
within the ufo community everything that

3435
02:22:55,910 --> 02:22:54,319
we've that that we the united states

3436
02:22:59,590 --> 02:22:55,920
government united states intelligence

3437
02:23:02,070 --> 02:22:59,600
community has done from 1947

3438
02:23:04,150 --> 02:23:02,080
from the roswell crone incident

3439
02:23:05,429 --> 02:23:04,160
up until

3440
02:23:08,150 --> 02:23:05,439
now

3441
02:23:11,110 --> 02:23:08,160
how we do this

3442
02:23:14,469 --> 02:23:11,120
we have to do it in a in a

3443
02:23:17,910 --> 02:23:14,479
in a way that uh

3444
02:23:19,190 --> 02:23:17,920
the the public will become involved with

3445
02:23:21,590 --> 02:23:19,200
rather than

3446
02:23:24,230 --> 02:23:21,600
uh telling the public

3447
02:23:25,910 --> 02:23:24,240
we should grasp the public's

3448
02:23:26,790 --> 02:23:25,920
assistance

3449
02:23:30,550 --> 02:23:26,800
and

3450
02:23:31,429 --> 02:23:30,560
good job of it because i you know i used

3451
02:23:34,230 --> 02:23:31,439
to get

3452
02:23:36,070 --> 02:23:34,240
a lot of hate mail but now our emails

3453
02:23:36,950 --> 02:23:36,080
now i get people who want to want to

3454
02:23:38,870 --> 02:23:36,960
help

3455
02:23:41,429 --> 02:23:38,880
what can we do

3456
02:23:44,830 --> 02:23:41,439
to get the word out i said you need to

3457
02:23:47,429 --> 02:23:44,840
contact your contact your senator or

3458
02:23:49,750 --> 02:23:47,439
congressman and tell them you want you

3459
02:23:50,710 --> 02:23:49,760
want to know about this you have the

3460
02:23:53,110 --> 02:23:50,720
right

3461
02:23:54,950 --> 02:23:53,120
as a united states citizen to know what

3462
02:23:58,150 --> 02:23:54,960
our government's been doing

3463
02:23:59,510 --> 02:23:58,160
i wanted to uh before and and by the way

3464
02:24:01,910 --> 02:23:59,520
i don't care what you're doing in the

3465
02:24:04,230 --> 02:24:01,920
morning we're doing overtime

3466
02:24:07,110 --> 02:24:04,240
uh so and that's gonna come up here

3467
02:24:09,910 --> 02:24:07,120
shortly so uh but anyway

3468
02:24:10,790 --> 02:24:09,920
um you had mentioned earlier i don't

3469
02:24:13,110 --> 02:24:10,800
want

3470
02:24:16,469 --> 02:24:13,120
i i don't need a lawsuit i don't need

3471
02:24:19,270 --> 02:24:16,479
names so keep that part

3472
02:24:21,349 --> 02:24:19,280
you said that there is um somebody that

3473
02:24:24,870 --> 02:24:21,359
you have been trying to out

3474
02:24:27,429 --> 02:24:24,880
that is is active right now um in in

3475
02:24:29,510 --> 02:24:27,439
social media and in the community

3476
02:24:32,230 --> 02:24:29,520
um is there

3477
02:24:34,389 --> 02:24:32,240
um you had mentioned on this show it was

3478
02:24:36,790 --> 02:24:34,399
probably four or five years ago now

3479
02:24:40,630 --> 02:24:36,800
that there were a couple of speakers um

3480
02:24:41,510 --> 02:24:40,640
in in in the ufo conference circuit

3481
02:24:42,870 --> 02:24:41,520
um

3482
02:24:45,349 --> 02:24:42,880
that

3483
02:24:46,469 --> 02:24:45,359
um

3484
02:24:48,790 --> 02:24:46,479
agents

3485
02:24:51,429 --> 02:24:48,800
that were informants yes

3486
02:24:54,790 --> 02:24:51,439
is is that going on today

3487
02:24:55,990 --> 02:24:54,800
i mean is there are there active members

3488
02:24:57,910 --> 02:24:56,000
of

3489
02:25:00,630 --> 02:24:57,920
ufology

3490
02:25:02,230 --> 02:25:00,640
that may not be who they

3491
02:25:03,990 --> 02:25:02,240
say they are

3492
02:25:06,389 --> 02:25:04,000
oh yeah

3493
02:25:07,990 --> 02:25:06,399
yeah i'm not going to mention names but

3494
02:25:09,429 --> 02:25:08,000
i know of uh

3495
02:25:11,349 --> 02:25:09,439
three

3496
02:25:13,190 --> 02:25:11,359
who are

3497
02:25:15,670 --> 02:25:13,200
um

3498
02:25:18,870 --> 02:25:15,680
cooperating i should say

3499
02:25:22,070 --> 02:25:18,880
uh yeah they're cooperating um

3500
02:25:25,429 --> 02:25:22,080
assets for for for the us intelligence

3501
02:25:28,389 --> 02:25:25,439
service and what's their job

3502
02:25:30,309 --> 02:25:28,399
well their their job is to report back

3503
02:25:32,870 --> 02:25:30,319
uh what

3504
02:25:36,870 --> 02:25:32,880
what their group what their ufo group

3505
02:25:38,630 --> 02:25:36,880
uh the ones i know are with are in mufon

3506
02:25:41,270 --> 02:25:38,640
and um

3507
02:25:42,070 --> 02:25:41,280
uh and i i know who they are i talk to

3508
02:25:44,630 --> 02:25:42,080
them

3509
02:25:45,750 --> 02:25:44,640
uh they don't really

3510
02:25:47,429 --> 02:25:45,760
well

3511
02:25:50,070 --> 02:25:47,439
one of them kind of hides it the other

3512
02:25:51,110 --> 02:25:50,080
two don't really hide it i mean they

3513
02:25:54,389 --> 02:25:51,120
they're not saying they work for the

3514
02:25:56,469 --> 02:25:54,399
united intelligence but what they say is

3515
02:25:58,550 --> 02:25:56,479
i don't have anything to hide i'll tell

3516
02:25:59,910 --> 02:25:58,560
anyone this i don't have anything to

3517
02:26:00,950 --> 02:25:59,920
hide

3518
02:26:03,110 --> 02:26:00,960
and

3519
02:26:06,630 --> 02:26:03,120
but i know i know

3520
02:26:08,870 --> 02:26:06,640
things about them that uh

3521
02:26:11,429 --> 02:26:08,880
will will say will tell me that they

3522
02:26:14,070 --> 02:26:11,439
they work they have a handling agent so

3523
02:26:16,070 --> 02:26:14,080
to speak they're reporting back

3524
02:26:17,429 --> 02:26:16,080
and and that's you know it's it's only

3525
02:26:20,870 --> 02:26:17,439
common sense

3526
02:26:22,150 --> 02:26:20,880
that any any uh

3527
02:26:24,389 --> 02:26:22,160
group

3528
02:26:25,510 --> 02:26:24,399
that is that could

3529
02:26:27,190 --> 02:26:25,520
obtain

3530
02:26:29,590 --> 02:26:27,200
information

3531
02:26:31,670 --> 02:26:29,600
uh relevant to

3532
02:26:33,190 --> 02:26:31,680
research and technology or ufo

3533
02:26:34,389 --> 02:26:33,200
activities

3534
02:26:35,910 --> 02:26:34,399
uh

3535
02:26:38,309 --> 02:26:35,920
the government would want to know about

3536
02:26:39,830 --> 02:26:38,319
it so they're going to penetrate groups

3537
02:26:41,429 --> 02:26:39,840
and they're going to have somebody in

3538
02:26:43,670 --> 02:26:41,439
that group report back to them just like

3539
02:26:45,270 --> 02:26:43,680
i did with bill moore i mean i recruited

3540
02:26:47,510 --> 02:26:45,280
bill moore

3541
02:26:49,349 --> 02:26:47,520
he was an apro

3542
02:26:52,309 --> 02:26:49,359
you know before mewphi was mufon and

3543
02:26:54,150 --> 02:26:52,319
that pro apro doesn't exist now he was

3544
02:26:57,270 --> 02:26:54,160
also in cause

3545
02:26:59,830 --> 02:26:57,280
and i recruited him to report back to me

3546
02:27:02,550 --> 02:26:59,840
everything that was going on within

3547
02:27:05,910 --> 02:27:02,560
the ufo community regarding ufos and

3548
02:27:08,309 --> 02:27:05,920
and he did he was one of my sources and

3549
02:27:10,230 --> 02:27:08,319
and that hasn't changed today they're

3550
02:27:12,870 --> 02:27:10,240
still doing the same thing

3551
02:27:13,830 --> 02:27:12,880
because i talked and and

3552
02:27:17,429 --> 02:27:13,840
i think

3553
02:27:19,190 --> 02:27:17,439
we sat at the last ufo convention

3554
02:27:21,670 --> 02:27:19,200
and i think i pointed out to you who the

3555
02:27:23,670 --> 02:27:21,680
intelligence officers were in the crowd

3556
02:27:25,270 --> 02:27:23,680
there were three of them

3557
02:27:28,950 --> 02:27:25,280
and and so

3558
02:27:32,070 --> 02:27:28,960
they still go that u.s intelligence

3559
02:27:35,590 --> 02:27:32,080
either air force or or or dia or even

3560
02:27:37,670 --> 02:27:35,600
cia they go to these conventions

3561
02:27:39,510 --> 02:27:37,680
now if they thought this was a

3562
02:27:42,950 --> 02:27:39,520
a um

3563
02:27:45,510 --> 02:27:42,960
a non-believable or a a

3564
02:27:46,710 --> 02:27:45,520
hoax why would they send

3565
02:27:47,590 --> 02:27:46,720
uh top

3566
02:27:48,550 --> 02:27:47,600
line

3567
02:27:50,309 --> 02:27:48,560
uh

3568
02:27:52,469 --> 02:27:50,319
intelligence officers to these ufo

3569
02:27:54,630 --> 02:27:52,479
conventions well okay but there's

3570
02:27:56,150 --> 02:27:54,640
there's two ways to look at this one is

3571
02:27:59,510 --> 02:27:56,160
that they're collecting information to

3572
02:28:01,750 --> 02:27:59,520
see what we know okay there's that but

3573
02:28:05,110 --> 02:28:01,760
then there's the other side is they can

3574
02:28:08,389 --> 02:28:05,120
be telling stories absolutely exactly

3575
02:28:10,309 --> 02:28:08,399
exactly you hit it right there jimmy

3576
02:28:13,270 --> 02:28:10,319
they're telling stories

3577
02:28:18,550 --> 02:28:13,280
they're spreading information

3578
02:28:20,790 --> 02:28:18,560
is that that's the misinformation that's

3579
02:28:23,429 --> 02:28:20,800
the misinformation of a disinformation

3580
02:28:25,190 --> 02:28:23,439
campaign yeah it'll spread around a ufo

3581
02:28:27,670 --> 02:28:25,200
conference pretty quickly too i've had

3582
02:28:29,429 --> 02:28:27,680
it happen i've had i swear

3583
02:28:31,830 --> 02:28:29,439
where i've had two or three people come

3584
02:28:33,910 --> 02:28:31,840
up to me and go so i just heard and i

3585
02:28:35,429 --> 02:28:33,920
was like yeah i've heard it now four

3586
02:28:36,469 --> 02:28:35,439
times

3587
02:28:38,790 --> 02:28:36,479
um

3588
02:28:40,389 --> 02:28:38,800
crazy of uh

3589
02:28:43,429 --> 02:28:40,399
how effective that is

3590
02:28:45,030 --> 02:28:43,439
i mean it's well i i it

3591
02:28:47,190 --> 02:28:45,040
you could do the same thing in sports

3592
02:28:50,309 --> 02:28:47,200
you could do the same thing in

3593
02:28:52,630 --> 02:28:50,319
in uh a search engine company right

3594
02:28:54,230 --> 02:28:52,640
whatever you want to just go and and and

3595
02:28:56,550 --> 02:28:54,240
get something going you can get it going

3596
02:28:57,910 --> 02:28:56,560
pretty quickly and it's uh it's very

3597
02:29:00,070 --> 02:28:57,920
interesting how

3598
02:29:01,990 --> 02:29:00,080
um you know the sewing circles you know

3599
02:29:05,349 --> 02:29:02,000
the little guy you know

3600
02:29:06,389 --> 02:29:05,359
boom and it and it it proliferates so

3601
02:29:08,469 --> 02:29:06,399
fast

3602
02:29:09,830 --> 02:29:08,479
um but i'm very curious

3603
02:29:11,590 --> 02:29:09,840
um

3604
02:29:14,389 --> 02:29:11,600
i don't know rick hasn't told me so

3605
02:29:16,630 --> 02:29:14,399
don't ask and and and things but but i'm

3606
02:29:18,630 --> 02:29:16,640
very curious who

3607
02:29:20,790 --> 02:29:18,640
uh it's one thing to collect information

3608
02:29:22,950 --> 02:29:20,800
but who is out there

3609
02:29:25,510 --> 02:29:22,960
uh who's putting it out there into the

3610
02:29:28,230 --> 02:29:25,520
ufo community i'm very interested in

3611
02:29:30,550 --> 02:29:28,240
that i've got some ideas you know but

3612
02:29:31,270 --> 02:29:30,560
that part doesn't matter but i can see

3613
02:29:34,550 --> 02:29:31,280
the

3614
02:29:35,510 --> 02:29:34,560
this ebb and flow and and it's very easy

3615
02:29:36,389 --> 02:29:35,520
to

3616
02:29:38,150 --> 02:29:36,399
um

3617
02:29:41,030 --> 02:29:38,160
you know connect the dots right to

3618
02:29:42,550 --> 02:29:41,040
triangulate to gps this thing

3619
02:29:43,990 --> 02:29:42,560
well i think

3620
02:29:45,349 --> 02:29:44,000
your listeners

3621
02:29:48,230 --> 02:29:45,359
who are within

3622
02:29:51,110 --> 02:29:48,240
mufon or or the ufo community

3623
02:29:52,950 --> 02:29:51,120
i probably have a a few ideas

3624
02:29:55,429 --> 02:29:52,960
on on these people and i'm not going to

3625
02:29:57,670 --> 02:29:55,439
disclose them and it's their business

3626
02:29:59,510 --> 02:29:57,680
uh they're out there doing their

3627
02:30:01,670 --> 02:29:59,520
their job maybe or

3628
02:30:04,710 --> 02:30:01,680
uh i'm not going to disclose names but

3629
02:30:07,429 --> 02:30:04,720
uh they are there and they always

3630
02:30:08,870 --> 02:30:07,439
will be somebody within these groups

3631
02:30:10,870 --> 02:30:08,880
that are reporting back to u.s

3632
02:30:14,950 --> 02:30:10,880
intelligence

3633
02:30:17,030 --> 02:30:14,960
of what the group is doing or what uh

3634
02:30:19,349 --> 02:30:17,040
new information they've gotten from new

3635
02:30:21,670 --> 02:30:19,359
incidents of the avenue both landings or

3636
02:30:23,270 --> 02:30:21,680
et contacts or abductions

3637
02:30:24,950 --> 02:30:23,280
sure

3638
02:30:27,349 --> 02:30:24,960
yeah let's uh let's take our break and

3639
02:30:28,950 --> 02:30:27,359
let's get into overtime and uh we'll

3640
02:30:31,190 --> 02:30:28,960
loosen up a little bit and have some fun

3641
02:30:32,389 --> 02:30:31,200
when we come back because i've got

3642
02:30:34,150 --> 02:30:32,399
questions

3643
02:30:35,910 --> 02:30:34,160
for rick doty and we're gonna do all of

3644
02:30:37,510 --> 02:30:35,920
that next this is fade to black i'm

3645
02:30:39,670 --> 02:30:37,520
yours jimmy church

3646
02:30:42,070 --> 02:30:39,680
rick doty is here tonight we are

3647
02:30:45,750 --> 02:30:42,080
discussing miss info dis info

3648
02:30:48,309 --> 02:30:45,760
in ufology in the ufo community

3649
02:30:49,830 --> 02:30:48,319
and we had some info bombs dropped

3650
02:30:51,110 --> 02:30:49,840
tonight it's been a lot of fun stay

3651
02:30:58,060 --> 02:30:51,120
right there we'll be right back after

3652
02:31:10,110 --> 02:31:08,820
[Music]

3653
02:31:18,150 --> 02:31:10,120
[Applause]

3654
02:31:21,750 --> 02:31:20,230
you're listening to jimmy church and

3655
02:31:26,710 --> 02:31:21,760
fade to black

3656
02:31:31,990 --> 02:31:29,110
hey what up y'all biblical fox here and

3657
02:31:36,309 --> 02:31:32,000
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3751
02:36:22,710 --> 02:36:17,840
yeah man wow what what a

3752
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what a show tonight i just uh uh

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3754
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3755
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3756
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i just drink too much coffee during the

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over time rick dodie overtime okay now

3760
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let's loosen up a little bit

3761
02:36:53,270 --> 02:36:51,359
and i want to go here

3762
02:36:55,990 --> 02:36:53,280
serpo

3763
02:36:59,110 --> 02:36:56,000
misinformation disinformation government

3764
02:37:01,110 --> 02:36:59,120
funded campaign what was it

3765
02:37:03,030 --> 02:37:01,120
well

3766
02:37:06,309 --> 02:37:03,040
i'd say yes i wish

3767
02:37:09,270 --> 02:37:06,319
it's a yes or no question

3768
02:37:11,429 --> 02:37:09,280
a little bit of both i guess

3769
02:37:13,590 --> 02:37:11,439
um

3770
02:37:16,710 --> 02:37:13,600
you know that's a story and it's i mean

3771
02:37:18,469 --> 02:37:16,720
that's a complex story um

3772
02:37:19,990 --> 02:37:18,479
if you go back and

3773
02:37:22,710 --> 02:37:20,000
and look at all the different players

3774
02:37:24,790 --> 02:37:22,720
involved in this um

3775
02:37:27,510 --> 02:37:24,800
victor martinez and

3776
02:37:29,270 --> 02:37:27,520
and joe yeager and then you know i could

3777
02:37:33,270 --> 02:37:29,280
name him forever and

3778
02:37:34,870 --> 02:37:33,280
and then and then me uh i was feeding

3779
02:37:39,349 --> 02:37:34,880
information off

3780
02:37:41,510 --> 02:37:39,359
obviously i wasn't around back in those

3781
02:37:43,270 --> 02:37:41,520
days i was a kid

3782
02:37:45,349 --> 02:37:43,280
uh but

3783
02:37:48,550 --> 02:37:45,359
there's some there's some

3784
02:37:50,150 --> 02:37:48,560
people with that will swear by it

3785
02:37:51,750 --> 02:37:50,160
uh and then there's some people who will

3786
02:37:54,950 --> 02:37:51,760
say no

3787
02:37:55,750 --> 02:37:54,960
it's a it was a disinformation campaign

3788
02:37:59,030 --> 02:37:55,760
to

3789
02:38:01,990 --> 02:37:59,040
uh scare the russians

3790
02:38:03,510 --> 02:38:02,000
uh they we wanted the russians

3791
02:38:05,190 --> 02:38:03,520
to think

3792
02:38:08,150 --> 02:38:05,200
that we had contact with an

3793
02:38:11,349 --> 02:38:08,160
extraterrestrial race

3794
02:38:12,550 --> 02:38:11,359
and that would scare the russians

3795
02:38:13,590 --> 02:38:12,560
now

3796
02:38:17,030 --> 02:38:13,600
i think

3797
02:38:19,750 --> 02:38:17,040
think

3798
02:38:22,230 --> 02:38:19,760
we did let the russians know

3799
02:38:23,670 --> 02:38:22,240
but on the other side and

3800
02:38:25,110 --> 02:38:23,680
there's a lot of things that can be

3801
02:38:27,030 --> 02:38:25,120
verified

3802
02:38:29,830 --> 02:38:27,040
that happened

3803
02:38:31,349 --> 02:38:29,840
uh and there are people out there

3804
02:38:33,750 --> 02:38:31,359
unfortunately

3805
02:38:35,670 --> 02:38:33,760
they die they're dead but there was one

3806
02:38:37,429 --> 02:38:35,680
person out there who spoke

3807
02:38:39,030 --> 02:38:37,439
from the heart about

3808
02:38:41,510 --> 02:38:39,040
it happening

3809
02:38:43,910 --> 02:38:41,520
although there's a

3810
02:38:48,790 --> 02:38:43,920
controversy about how many people went

3811
02:38:48,800 --> 02:38:52,469
i know linda howell spoke

3812
02:38:57,670 --> 02:38:55,349
many times about the circle or about

3813
02:38:59,910 --> 02:38:57,680
what she knew and about the one person

3814
02:39:01,590 --> 02:38:59,920
that she had contact with it who had

3815
02:39:03,349 --> 02:39:01,600
supposedly went

3816
02:39:04,790 --> 02:39:03,359
and um

3817
02:39:05,670 --> 02:39:04,800
and came back

3818
02:39:08,150 --> 02:39:05,680
so

3819
02:39:09,590 --> 02:39:08,160
um i think there's a there's a little

3820
02:39:10,790 --> 02:39:09,600
bit of facts

3821
02:39:12,230 --> 02:39:10,800
in

3822
02:39:14,870 --> 02:39:12,240
a a

3823
02:39:16,469 --> 02:39:14,880
a bucket that's mostly

3824
02:39:19,349 --> 02:39:16,479
uh

3825
02:39:21,750 --> 02:39:19,359
a counterintelligence operation

3826
02:39:23,190 --> 02:39:21,760
why would they um

3827
02:39:25,510 --> 02:39:23,200
try to mislead

3828
02:39:27,830 --> 02:39:25,520
excuse me mislead the russians in

3829
02:39:30,309 --> 02:39:27,840
something like this and and

3830
02:39:33,030 --> 02:39:30,319
having the russians believe that we were

3831
02:39:33,830 --> 02:39:33,040
sending and trading

3832
02:39:40,630 --> 02:39:33,840
uh

3833
02:39:42,870 --> 02:39:40,640
serpo

3834
02:39:45,590 --> 02:39:42,880
uh what what

3835
02:39:49,510 --> 02:39:45,600
i mean what's to gain with the russians

3836
02:39:52,710 --> 02:39:50,790
well

3837
02:39:54,710 --> 02:39:52,720
there's a number of different

3838
02:39:56,070 --> 02:39:54,720
facets to that

3839
02:39:58,389 --> 02:39:56,080
number one

3840
02:39:59,750 --> 02:39:58,399
uh if if the russians were to believe

3841
02:40:02,950 --> 02:39:59,760
that we had

3842
02:40:03,990 --> 02:40:02,960
contact with an extraterrestrial race

3843
02:40:06,469 --> 02:40:04,000
that would mean that the

3844
02:40:09,510 --> 02:40:06,479
extraterrestrial waste could be

3845
02:40:10,469 --> 02:40:09,520
providing us with advanced weapons or

3846
02:40:12,469 --> 02:40:10,479
advanced

3847
02:40:14,870 --> 02:40:12,479
research technology

3848
02:40:16,070 --> 02:40:14,880
and that would scare the russians number

3849
02:40:18,469 --> 02:40:16,080
one

3850
02:40:21,030 --> 02:40:18,479
uh thinking that we had something they

3851
02:40:23,190 --> 02:40:21,040
did didn't have uh

3852
02:40:25,750 --> 02:40:23,200
as far as weapon system goes

3853
02:40:26,630 --> 02:40:25,760
or even space travel

3854
02:40:27,910 --> 02:40:26,640
uh

3855
02:40:31,349 --> 02:40:27,920
and

3856
02:40:35,429 --> 02:40:31,359
the the russians back in the in the 60s

3857
02:40:37,030 --> 02:40:35,439
uh had somewhat of an advantage on

3858
02:40:40,550 --> 02:40:37,040
human uh

3859
02:40:41,429 --> 02:40:40,560
intelligence a human meaning spies

3860
02:40:44,389 --> 02:40:41,439
they

3861
02:40:45,750 --> 02:40:44,399
we had a we had an open society

3862
02:40:47,750 --> 02:40:45,760
they didn't

3863
02:40:50,870 --> 02:40:47,760
it was easy for them

3864
02:40:53,990 --> 02:40:50,880
to keep track of their people it was not

3865
02:40:55,830 --> 02:40:54,000
easy for us to keep track of our people

3866
02:40:57,830 --> 02:40:55,840
and i know in in

3867
02:40:58,550 --> 02:40:57,840
an intelligence operations course we

3868
02:40:59,670 --> 02:40:58,560
learn

3869
02:41:01,590 --> 02:40:59,680
history

3870
02:41:03,510 --> 02:41:01,600
and one of the things we learned was

3871
02:41:05,429 --> 02:41:03,520
that

3872
02:41:07,990 --> 02:41:05,439
from the 50s

3873
02:41:08,950 --> 02:41:08,000
on through the 60s

3874
02:41:10,469 --> 02:41:08,960
uh

3875
02:41:11,910 --> 02:41:10,479
the

3876
02:41:13,910 --> 02:41:11,920
soviets were

3877
02:41:17,270 --> 02:41:13,920
had an easy

3878
02:41:20,070 --> 02:41:17,280
job of keeping track of our spies

3879
02:41:22,389 --> 02:41:20,080
and we had a difficult track

3880
02:41:24,150 --> 02:41:22,399
a difficult job of keeping track of

3881
02:41:26,230 --> 02:41:24,160
their spice so

3882
02:41:28,309 --> 02:41:26,240
i think that all

3883
02:41:29,349 --> 02:41:28,319
played into this thing that

3884
02:41:31,270 --> 02:41:29,359
hey

3885
02:41:33,429 --> 02:41:31,280
we got something

3886
02:41:36,070 --> 02:41:33,439
that you don't have

3887
02:41:38,070 --> 02:41:36,080
and i i think that's that's that's part

3888
02:41:40,550 --> 02:41:38,080
of the the operation

3889
02:41:43,349 --> 02:41:40,560
uh although i don't know for a fact

3890
02:41:46,469 --> 02:41:43,359
i know circle means something

3891
02:41:49,190 --> 02:41:46,479
uh to us intelligence the word circle

3892
02:41:51,510 --> 02:41:49,200
it's uh something to do with uh

3893
02:41:52,710 --> 02:41:51,520
special extraterrestrial

3894
02:41:55,349 --> 02:41:52,720
uh

3895
02:41:57,030 --> 02:41:55,359
planet or something there's an actual

3896
02:41:58,469 --> 02:41:57,040
meaning of circle

3897
02:42:00,150 --> 02:41:58,479
which would just came out here a little

3898
02:42:02,550 --> 02:42:00,160
while ago somebody

3899
02:42:04,469 --> 02:42:02,560
uh brought it to my attention

3900
02:42:06,630 --> 02:42:04,479
that i didn't know about

3901
02:42:08,150 --> 02:42:06,640
so um

3902
02:42:10,830 --> 02:42:08,160
so you're suggesting it would be

3903
02:42:12,389 --> 02:42:10,840
possible to foia serpo

3904
02:42:13,190 --> 02:42:12,399
documents

3905
02:42:16,790 --> 02:42:13,200
hmm

3906
02:42:20,870 --> 02:42:16,800
i you know people have tried uh i know

3907
02:42:25,110 --> 02:42:20,880
there is one document that dia released

3908
02:42:27,750 --> 02:42:26,950
who he was one of the

3909
02:42:30,630 --> 02:42:27,760
uh

3910
02:42:33,190 --> 02:42:30,640
administrators administrator

3911
02:42:35,110 --> 02:42:33,200
uh that that had

3912
02:42:37,110 --> 02:42:35,120
information about circle but it was

3913
02:42:38,230 --> 02:42:37,120
heavily redacted

3914
02:42:41,190 --> 02:42:38,240
um

3915
02:42:43,750 --> 02:42:41,200
actually it was not about circle without

3916
02:42:45,030 --> 02:42:43,760
about project crystal knight

3917
02:42:47,830 --> 02:42:45,040
because that was the

3918
02:42:51,270 --> 02:42:47,840
the project but i remember having to do

3919
02:42:54,230 --> 02:42:51,280
with uh circle the the document

3920
02:42:55,910 --> 02:42:54,240
pertained to crystal night and it was a

3921
02:42:57,670 --> 02:42:55,920
space program

3922
02:42:58,790 --> 02:42:57,680
uh

3923
02:43:16,230 --> 02:42:58,800
a

3924
02:43:19,030 --> 02:43:16,240
uh

3925
02:43:19,990 --> 02:43:19,040
from the circle story with bill ryan's

3926
02:43:24,870 --> 02:43:20,000
uh

3927
02:43:27,510 --> 02:43:24,880
people and wanted to know if i could you

3928
02:43:29,349 --> 02:43:27,520
know maybe read between the lines but

3929
02:43:31,830 --> 02:43:29,359
it was too heavily redacted i just don't

3930
02:43:36,950 --> 02:43:33,349
what it was about

3931
02:43:39,590 --> 02:43:36,960
now uh uh i i mentioned at the beginning

3932
02:43:40,950 --> 02:43:39,600
of the show project blue book being

3933
02:43:42,510 --> 02:43:40,960
uh

3934
02:43:44,710 --> 02:43:42,520
a bona fide disinformation

3935
02:43:47,349 --> 02:43:44,720
misinformation campaign

3936
02:43:50,790 --> 02:43:47,359
i think history is going to you know

3937
02:43:52,950 --> 02:43:50,800
just continue uh down that path with it

3938
02:43:55,510 --> 02:43:52,960
um for you is that some of the best

3939
02:43:58,550 --> 02:43:55,520
evidence of of the air force

3940
02:44:02,230 --> 02:43:58,560
uh running misdirection directly with

3941
02:44:07,590 --> 02:44:02,240
the american public when it came to ufos

3942
02:44:10,469 --> 02:44:07,600
oh yeah i think uh um i think initially

3943
02:44:14,950 --> 02:44:10,479
it was a program the reason that they

3944
02:44:17,349 --> 02:44:14,960
changed uh you know changed names grudge

3945
02:44:18,950 --> 02:44:17,359
uh eventually to blue book

3946
02:44:20,870 --> 02:44:18,960
was that there was different

3947
02:44:23,750 --> 02:44:20,880
administrators

3948
02:44:24,790 --> 02:44:23,760
with just different objectives

3949
02:44:27,830 --> 02:44:24,800
and

3950
02:44:30,150 --> 02:44:27,840
i know my uncle edward doty was

3951
02:44:32,870 --> 02:44:30,160
involved with the project blue book he

3952
02:44:35,190 --> 02:44:32,880
was an investigator and

3953
02:44:36,950 --> 02:44:35,200
he told me stories about why they

3954
02:44:40,790 --> 02:44:36,960
changed the name

3955
02:44:43,510 --> 02:44:40,800
uh and and the differences between

3956
02:44:45,429 --> 02:44:43,520
an open investigation

3957
02:44:50,389 --> 02:44:45,439
of something that they

3958
02:44:53,429 --> 02:44:50,399
can could readily identify as being uh

3959
02:44:56,230 --> 02:44:53,439
an answer to the to to a question of

3960
02:44:57,750 --> 02:44:56,240
what was that in the sky

3961
02:45:00,630 --> 02:44:57,760
uh to

3962
02:45:01,910 --> 02:45:00,640
the more more mysterious cases which

3963
02:45:05,190 --> 02:45:01,920
they couldn't answer didn't have an

3964
02:45:06,389 --> 02:45:05,200
answer to and how they classified it

3965
02:45:09,190 --> 02:45:06,399
and so

3966
02:45:11,910 --> 02:45:09,200
as you as you said it's a form of of a

3967
02:45:13,429 --> 02:45:11,920
disinformation campaign because

3968
02:45:16,389 --> 02:45:13,439
not

3969
02:45:20,230 --> 02:45:16,399
case

3970
02:45:22,710 --> 02:45:20,240
uh

3971
02:45:25,429 --> 02:45:22,720
that the government talked about

3972
02:45:27,510 --> 02:45:25,439
was identified as a as a legitimate

3973
02:45:30,469 --> 02:45:27,520
extraterrestrial craft

3974
02:45:33,190 --> 02:45:30,479
or extraterrestrial contact

3975
02:45:35,269 --> 02:45:33,200
those cases were classified

3976
02:45:37,190 --> 02:45:35,279
they were classified top secret

3977
02:45:38,309 --> 02:45:37,200
and they went on to somebody else to

3978
02:45:41,030 --> 02:45:38,319
investigate

3979
02:45:43,990 --> 02:45:41,040
the field the field investigators only

3980
02:45:47,110 --> 02:45:44,000
investigated uh cases of

3981
02:45:49,990 --> 02:45:47,120
of known uh astronomical

3982
02:45:52,230 --> 02:45:50,000
objects and and let's face it most of

3983
02:45:54,150 --> 02:45:52,240
what the people were seeing could be

3984
02:45:57,710 --> 02:45:54,160
easily identified

3985
02:46:01,429 --> 02:45:57,720
as a plane uh as as a research and

3986
02:46:04,870 --> 02:46:01,439
development plane or as as

3987
02:46:08,389 --> 02:46:04,880
the venus uh the planet venus

3988
02:46:09,510 --> 02:46:08,399
or or or other things um

3989
02:46:12,469 --> 02:46:09,520
and so

3990
02:46:14,070 --> 02:46:12,479
but the ones that couldn't be

3991
02:46:16,550 --> 02:46:14,080
they're the ones

3992
02:46:18,550 --> 02:46:16,560
that that the government's not going to

3993
02:46:21,910 --> 02:46:18,560
come out public and say listen

3994
02:46:23,309 --> 02:46:21,920
i got all these cases here these 700

3995
02:46:28,790 --> 02:46:23,319
cases

3996
02:46:31,429 --> 02:46:28,800
that we can't identify

3997
02:46:33,510 --> 02:46:31,439
and every indication is

3998
02:46:34,950 --> 02:46:33,520
that they're extraterrestrial in nature

3999
02:46:37,269 --> 02:46:34,960
they're not going to say that although

4000
02:46:39,110 --> 02:46:37,279
that's what they're saying privately or

4001
02:46:41,030 --> 02:46:39,120
in the classified documents that's

4002
02:46:42,230 --> 02:46:41,040
exactly what they're saying

4003
02:46:43,510 --> 02:46:42,240
but they're not going to release that

4004
02:46:46,230 --> 02:46:43,520
stuff

4005
02:46:48,550 --> 02:46:46,240
okay and uh

4006
02:46:51,269 --> 02:46:48,560
i i think that

4007
02:46:52,389 --> 02:46:51,279
i think that we all understand that but

4008
02:46:57,590 --> 02:46:52,399
my point

4009
02:47:00,389 --> 02:46:57,600
to the audience when we talk about

4010
02:47:02,150 --> 02:47:00,399
misinformation or disinformation i have

4011
02:47:03,750 --> 02:47:02,160
these are direct

4012
02:47:06,389 --> 02:47:03,760
i mean these are things that you can go

4013
02:47:09,190 --> 02:47:06,399
and research and follow up on your own

4014
02:47:10,309 --> 02:47:09,200
um and and blue book and and serpo

4015
02:47:12,630 --> 02:47:10,319
certainly

4016
02:47:14,790 --> 02:47:12,640
the the internet version of serpo and

4017
02:47:16,469 --> 02:47:14,800
martinez and what was going on and all

4018
02:47:18,630 --> 02:47:16,479
of the players i don't want to get into

4019
02:47:22,070 --> 02:47:18,640
the list of names and the aviary and all

4020
02:47:26,309 --> 02:47:22,080
of that but it was it was a

4021
02:47:29,269 --> 02:47:26,319
very concentrated comprehensive campaign

4022
02:47:32,150 --> 02:47:29,279
that was in play it wasn't real

4023
02:47:35,269 --> 02:47:32,160
and uh elements of it possibly being

4024
02:47:37,030 --> 02:47:35,279
real but it was misinformation it was

4025
02:47:40,150 --> 02:47:37,040
disinformation direct

4026
02:47:42,550 --> 02:47:40,160
right to the public on the internet and

4027
02:47:44,150 --> 02:47:42,560
and i was i was in the middle of it rick

4028
02:47:45,990 --> 02:47:44,160
i was right there man i was reading

4029
02:47:47,670 --> 02:47:46,000
those updates every single day i

4030
02:47:49,830 --> 02:47:47,680
couldn't wait for you to give some more

4031
02:47:51,349 --> 02:47:49,840
information to martinez

4032
02:47:57,510 --> 02:47:51,359
okay

4033
02:47:58,550 --> 02:47:57,520
i wish i had the mind to do that right

4034
02:48:03,349 --> 02:47:58,560
now

4035
02:48:05,670 --> 02:48:03,359
writing science fiction books

4036
02:48:07,590 --> 02:48:05,680
whoever wrote that stuff that's right

4037
02:48:09,030 --> 02:48:07,600
now you just hit the nail on the head it

4038
02:48:12,710 --> 02:48:09,040
was some of the best science fiction

4039
02:48:14,830 --> 02:48:12,720
ever some very creative writers uh were

4040
02:48:16,710 --> 02:48:14,840
behind that for sure

4041
02:48:19,510 --> 02:48:16,720
um and cody

4042
02:48:21,990 --> 02:48:19,520
rick doty being one um

4043
02:48:23,269 --> 02:48:22,000
so let's talk about mj 12.

4044
02:48:24,309 --> 02:48:23,279
um

4045
02:48:26,550 --> 02:48:24,319
again

4046
02:48:29,110 --> 02:48:26,560
uh

4047
02:48:30,550 --> 02:48:29,120
in your opinion i i've already stated

4048
02:48:32,950 --> 02:48:30,560
mine

4049
02:48:35,990 --> 02:48:32,960
misinformation disinformation campaign

4050
02:48:37,030 --> 02:48:36,000
out of washington dc

4051
02:48:39,910 --> 02:48:37,040
yeah that

4052
02:48:42,469 --> 02:48:39,920
those documents were created were

4053
02:48:45,269 --> 02:48:42,479
created at the special means committee

4054
02:48:46,550 --> 02:48:45,279
within the dia now

4055
02:48:48,710 --> 02:48:46,560
um

4056
02:48:50,550 --> 02:48:48,720
some of the information

4057
02:48:51,990 --> 02:48:50,560
is legitimate i mean you can you could

4058
02:48:54,710 --> 02:48:52,000
verify

4059
02:48:57,110 --> 02:48:54,720
names and dates and places and you can

4060
02:48:59,990 --> 02:48:57,120
you can find out who was where and

4061
02:49:02,550 --> 02:49:00,000
and things sure but but the majority of

4062
02:49:05,030 --> 02:49:02,560
it was a was a uh

4063
02:49:06,070 --> 02:49:05,040
disinformation i i would say

4064
02:49:08,550 --> 02:49:06,080
um

4065
02:49:10,070 --> 02:49:08,560
now there are other people out there uh

4066
02:49:12,950 --> 02:49:10,080
that will

4067
02:49:15,429 --> 02:49:12,960
say no but i i think that

4068
02:49:16,710 --> 02:49:15,439
part of that wasn't a disinformation

4069
02:49:17,590 --> 02:49:16,720
campaign

4070
02:49:19,190 --> 02:49:17,600
uh

4071
02:49:21,429 --> 02:49:19,200
to um

4072
02:49:22,630 --> 02:49:21,439
belittle the ufo community the people

4073
02:49:25,269 --> 02:49:22,640
that got it

4074
02:49:29,030 --> 02:49:25,279
uh but okay okay you gotta understand

4075
02:49:32,630 --> 02:49:30,309
let's

4076
02:49:34,389 --> 02:49:32,640
go right there

4077
02:49:37,750 --> 02:49:34,399
that envelope

4078
02:49:40,389 --> 02:49:37,760
with the the original film roll right

4079
02:49:41,830 --> 02:49:40,399
that was sent to jamie chanda ray here

4080
02:49:43,670 --> 02:49:41,840
in burbank

4081
02:49:45,830 --> 02:49:43,680
um

4082
02:49:48,950 --> 02:49:45,840
you were involved

4083
02:49:50,469 --> 02:49:48,960
at that time with william moore correct

4084
02:49:53,349 --> 02:49:50,479
with bill moore

4085
02:49:54,790 --> 02:49:53,359
did you know that that envelope was

4086
02:49:55,590 --> 02:49:54,800
put in the mail

4087
02:50:01,990 --> 02:49:55,600
no

4088
02:50:03,190 --> 02:50:02,000
contacted me

4089
02:50:04,950 --> 02:50:03,200
and said

4090
02:50:06,790 --> 02:50:04,960
jamie got

4091
02:50:08,469 --> 02:50:06,800
a canister a film

4092
02:50:11,030 --> 02:50:08,479
canister that he had developed because

4093
02:50:12,790 --> 02:50:11,040
he was the photographer he had his own

4094
02:50:15,190 --> 02:50:12,800
uh uh

4095
02:50:17,750 --> 02:50:15,200
development studio and he said and and

4096
02:50:19,830 --> 02:50:17,760
it contained a classified document

4097
02:50:22,230 --> 02:50:19,840
i said what are you talking about bill

4098
02:50:24,309 --> 02:50:22,240
and he said no no no no tell me i i know

4099
02:50:26,710 --> 02:50:24,319
it so i said well let me let me go check

4100
02:50:29,830 --> 02:50:26,720
and find out that's my name

4101
02:50:32,710 --> 02:50:29,840
did you go and check well i went into to

4102
02:50:35,349 --> 02:50:32,720
the intelligence community and i said

4103
02:50:37,910 --> 02:50:35,359
anybody you know anybody send

4104
02:50:40,630 --> 02:50:37,920
jamie shandira some kind of film

4105
02:50:41,990 --> 02:50:40,640
canister is this part of an operation or

4106
02:50:42,950 --> 02:50:42,000
what

4107
02:50:44,469 --> 02:50:42,960
and

4108
02:50:49,349 --> 02:50:44,479
nobody that

4109
02:50:51,269 --> 02:50:49,359
within the our my circle said yes

4110
02:50:53,269 --> 02:50:51,279
they said i don't know we don't know it

4111
02:50:54,950 --> 02:50:53,279
could have happened up in

4112
02:50:57,349 --> 02:50:54,960
in headquarters

4113
02:50:58,710 --> 02:50:57,359
but it didn't happen down in the field

4114
02:51:00,230 --> 02:50:58,720
so i said no bill i don't know what

4115
02:51:02,070 --> 02:51:00,240
you're talking about and i said it's

4116
02:51:06,630 --> 02:51:02,080
probably you know jamie

4117
02:51:08,710 --> 02:51:06,640
jamie had jamie xander exaggerated

4118
02:51:11,030 --> 02:51:08,720
so much stuff i mean i could tell you

4119
02:51:13,030 --> 02:51:11,040
stories about jamie that is just

4120
02:51:15,269 --> 02:51:13,040
ridiculous but anyways i said well let

4121
02:51:17,830 --> 02:51:15,279
me fly out there and find out

4122
02:51:19,910 --> 02:51:17,840
so i go out there well jamie the

4123
02:51:21,830 --> 02:51:19,920
jamie didn't want to show it to me

4124
02:51:24,950 --> 02:51:21,840
you're talking about you flew to los

4125
02:51:26,230 --> 02:51:24,960
angeles yeah yeah flew to uh uh i flew

4126
02:51:30,469 --> 02:51:26,240
to uh

4127
02:51:32,230 --> 02:51:30,479
burbank uh john wayne airport uh okay uh

4128
02:51:33,269 --> 02:51:32,240
costa mesa i guess of course mesa right

4129
02:51:35,510 --> 02:51:33,279
yeah

4130
02:51:38,230 --> 02:51:35,520
uh anyways uh

4131
02:51:40,070 --> 02:51:38,240
i went there and i we drove to uh

4132
02:51:40,870 --> 02:51:40,080
jamie's place

4133
02:51:45,190 --> 02:51:40,880
uh

4134
02:51:47,510 --> 02:51:45,200
sure if i should show it to you because

4135
02:51:50,790 --> 02:51:47,520
i got it i said well jamie if you want

4136
02:51:53,110 --> 02:51:50,800
me to verify what this is

4137
02:51:55,190 --> 02:51:53,120
and then i started thinking that jamie's

4138
02:51:57,830 --> 02:51:55,200
just bullshitting us

4139
02:52:00,309 --> 02:51:57,840
and so finally jamie you know went in

4140
02:52:02,309 --> 02:52:00,319
and he had it in a secret place he

4141
02:52:03,910 --> 02:52:02,319
brings it out shows it to me

4142
02:52:05,910 --> 02:52:03,920
and i look at it

4143
02:52:08,790 --> 02:52:05,920
i said wow

4144
02:52:10,870 --> 02:52:08,800
this is something else i i said

4145
02:52:13,590 --> 02:52:10,880
i don't know if it's real or not i mean

4146
02:52:16,150 --> 02:52:13,600
i know some of it sounds legitimate but

4147
02:52:18,950 --> 02:52:16,160
i don't know all of it if all of it is

4148
02:52:21,429 --> 02:52:18,960
i said why don't you let me take it

4149
02:52:23,590 --> 02:52:21,439
no no no no no no no you can't take it i

4150
02:52:25,750 --> 02:52:23,600
said you know what

4151
02:52:27,269 --> 02:52:25,760
jamie i'm still a federal agent i could

4152
02:52:30,070 --> 02:52:27,279
seize this from you

4153
02:52:32,150 --> 02:52:30,080
because it's classified as top secret on

4154
02:52:33,750 --> 02:52:32,160
it i said you don't have the right to

4155
02:52:36,230 --> 02:52:33,760
know it jamie

4156
02:52:37,990 --> 02:52:36,240
he said okay okay okay okay

4157
02:52:39,830 --> 02:52:38,000
you can take it but let me make a copy i

4158
02:52:41,110 --> 02:52:39,840
said no you're not gonna make any copies

4159
02:52:43,030 --> 02:52:41,120
of it

4160
02:52:46,710 --> 02:52:43,040
so i take it

4161
02:52:48,230 --> 02:52:46,720
i get go i go back to to uh

4162
02:52:49,670 --> 02:52:48,240
kirtland

4163
02:52:51,670 --> 02:52:49,680
uh i

4164
02:52:52,790 --> 02:52:51,680
i make a copy

4165
02:53:03,429 --> 02:52:52,800
i

4166
02:53:05,269 --> 02:53:03,439
so

4167
02:53:07,750 --> 02:53:05,279
you know i scheduled that they come and

4168
02:53:09,510 --> 02:53:07,760
get it you know handcuff on wrist and a

4169
02:53:11,990 --> 02:53:09,520
briefcase and one of those things and

4170
02:53:14,710 --> 02:53:12,000
they took it up there well

4171
02:53:17,910 --> 02:53:14,720
about four or five days later

4172
02:53:18,870 --> 02:53:17,920
uh a colonel called me and said

4173
02:53:21,670 --> 02:53:18,880
uh

4174
02:53:25,429 --> 02:53:21,680
why did you send this up to back to us i

4175
02:53:31,269 --> 02:53:28,309
so that was the source bingo

4176
02:53:33,269 --> 02:53:31,279
right the pentagon i said yeah it was it

4177
02:53:34,870 --> 02:53:33,279
was this oh

4178
02:53:36,630 --> 02:53:34,880
it's called a special

4179
02:53:39,429 --> 02:53:36,640
uh uh

4180
02:53:42,790 --> 02:53:39,439
yeah it's a no it's in dia

4181
02:53:43,910 --> 02:53:42,800
okay special means committee

4182
02:53:47,990 --> 02:53:43,920
special

4183
02:53:50,630 --> 02:53:48,000
committee i knew

4184
02:53:53,349 --> 02:53:50,640
they created bogus documents most of

4185
02:53:55,429 --> 02:53:53,359
them went to soviet union and chinese

4186
02:53:56,870 --> 02:53:55,439
intelligence operations

4187
02:53:58,150 --> 02:53:56,880
and i said

4188
02:53:59,269 --> 02:53:58,160
they said why did you send it back i

4189
02:54:01,510 --> 02:53:59,279
said because

4190
02:54:03,830 --> 02:54:01,520
i got it from a guy

4191
02:54:04,710 --> 02:54:03,840
in california who somebody mailed it to

4192
02:54:08,389 --> 02:54:04,720
him

4193
02:54:10,710 --> 02:54:08,399
he said leave it at that

4194
02:54:12,469 --> 02:54:10,720
mr dodie just leave it at that i said

4195
02:54:16,309 --> 02:54:12,479
you want me to do that

4196
02:54:18,790 --> 02:54:16,319
okay okay okay okay how do so

4197
02:54:21,110 --> 02:54:18,800
uh you you return

4198
02:54:22,710 --> 02:54:21,120
jamie did make copies jamie chanda ray

4199
02:54:26,150 --> 02:54:22,720
everybody's a producer

4200
02:54:27,510 --> 02:54:26,160
um uh uh back in

4201
02:54:29,110 --> 02:54:27,520
here in hollywood

4202
02:54:30,070 --> 02:54:29,120
back in the day and he worked with bill

4203
02:54:32,710 --> 02:54:30,080
moore

4204
02:54:33,670 --> 02:54:32,720
um and so that's who jamie chandareye is

4205
02:54:35,670 --> 02:54:33,680
so

4206
02:54:38,469 --> 02:54:35,680
he didn't make any copies you took the

4207
02:54:42,389 --> 02:54:38,479
originals of that but what about the

4208
02:54:44,309 --> 02:54:42,399
film role so jamie still had that right

4209
02:54:45,910 --> 02:54:44,319
that the i took everything i took oh you

4210
02:54:48,309 --> 02:54:45,920
took everything okay so you returned

4211
02:54:49,830 --> 02:54:48,319
that to jamie and i took i did exactly

4212
02:54:52,389 --> 02:54:49,840
what i was told to do

4213
02:54:54,950 --> 02:54:52,399
i took it all the way back

4214
02:54:56,790 --> 02:54:54,960
uh i actually what i did

4215
02:54:59,190 --> 02:54:56,800
was i met

4216
02:55:01,750 --> 02:54:59,200
i met jamie and bill

4217
02:55:03,670 --> 02:55:01,760
in prescott arizona

4218
02:55:05,110 --> 02:55:03,680
and i get i turned everything over them

4219
02:55:07,590 --> 02:55:05,120
i said you know jamie i guess you're

4220
02:55:09,750 --> 02:55:07,600
supposed to have this

4221
02:55:11,030 --> 02:55:09,760
and then jamie mentioned

4222
02:55:13,269 --> 02:55:11,040
a person

4223
02:55:15,830 --> 02:55:13,279
who was another agent

4224
02:55:17,190 --> 02:55:15,840
uh but in california out of norton air

4225
02:55:19,750 --> 02:55:17,200
force base

4226
02:55:23,269 --> 02:55:19,760
which is a riverside area

4227
02:55:25,429 --> 02:55:23,279
and i said oh you know him

4228
02:55:27,030 --> 02:55:25,439
his first name is steve

4229
02:55:28,790 --> 02:55:27,040
and jamie says yes i'm working with

4230
02:55:30,630 --> 02:55:28,800
steve i said okay

4231
02:55:34,230 --> 02:55:30,640
i'm out of it

4232
02:55:36,630 --> 02:55:34,240
and that's the chain of events now

4233
02:55:39,030 --> 02:55:36,640
it went a long ways after that because

4234
02:55:42,469 --> 02:55:39,040
bill moore got a hold of it and then

4235
02:55:45,830 --> 02:55:42,479
bill tried to verify it and then

4236
02:55:46,950 --> 02:55:45,840
uh stan friedman gets involved friedman

4237
02:55:51,830 --> 02:55:46,960
yeah

4238
02:55:54,630 --> 02:55:51,840
it was stan friedman um i was at a uh

4239
02:55:57,030 --> 02:55:54,640
i can't remember what i was doing

4240
02:56:00,309 --> 02:55:57,040
anyways we were i was in uh houston

4241
02:56:02,389 --> 02:56:00,319
texas and stan friedman was there

4242
02:56:03,750 --> 02:56:02,399
and he was talking to some somebody i

4243
02:56:05,429 --> 02:56:03,760
can't remember he had an interview with

4244
02:56:08,309 --> 02:56:05,439
somebody oh uh

4245
02:56:10,309 --> 02:56:08,319
no not not houston austin uh he had an

4246
02:56:14,550 --> 02:56:10,319
interview with bobby inman

4247
02:56:15,670 --> 02:56:14,560
and uh for intelligence uh he was dia at

4248
02:56:17,429 --> 02:56:15,680
the time

4249
02:56:20,630 --> 02:56:17,439
and uh

4250
02:56:23,510 --> 02:56:20,640
gene uh stan had a copy of it

4251
02:56:26,070 --> 02:56:23,520
stan says i want to show you something

4252
02:56:29,269 --> 02:56:26,080
you go about go back to his hotel room

4253
02:56:30,710 --> 02:56:29,279
he had it in a sealed area and he

4254
02:56:33,590 --> 02:56:30,720
pulls it out

4255
02:56:36,630 --> 02:56:33,600
he said did you ever see this i said

4256
02:56:37,349 --> 02:56:36,640
matter of fact i have

4257
02:56:40,790 --> 02:56:37,359
so

4258
02:56:41,990 --> 02:56:40,800
anyways and it went around from there

4259
02:56:45,269 --> 02:56:42,000
it's uh

4260
02:56:47,510 --> 02:56:45,279
uh it's a difficult thing uh for the ufo

4261
02:56:50,710 --> 02:56:47,520
community there are so many smart people

4262
02:56:54,710 --> 02:56:50,720
and and so many researchers that

4263
02:56:58,309 --> 02:56:54,720
analyzed every single not only word

4264
02:56:59,830 --> 02:56:58,319
letter down to the letter uh typefaces

4265
02:57:03,670 --> 02:56:59,840
uh the

4266
02:57:06,469 --> 02:57:03,680
the way documents were uh prepared

4267
02:57:09,269 --> 02:57:06,479
um how addresses were done how things

4268
02:57:10,870 --> 02:57:09,279
were signed um and you have to do that

4269
02:57:13,269 --> 02:57:10,880
kind of analysis

4270
02:57:15,429 --> 02:57:13,279
and i think that the overarching

4271
02:57:19,030 --> 02:57:15,439
including my own eyeballs on on this

4272
02:57:20,790 --> 02:57:19,040
stuff was that this stuff is really good

4273
02:57:21,750 --> 02:57:20,800
so there was somebody

4274
02:57:23,110 --> 02:57:21,760
that was

4275
02:57:24,230 --> 02:57:23,120
you know that

4276
02:57:27,110 --> 02:57:24,240
a team

4277
02:57:28,870 --> 02:57:27,120
that was really good at at creating

4278
02:57:31,429 --> 02:57:28,880
authentic documents you have to have the

4279
02:57:32,230 --> 02:57:31,439
a period typewriter right you have to

4280
02:57:34,309 --> 02:57:32,240
have

4281
02:57:37,269 --> 02:57:34,319
you're not doing this in

4282
02:57:40,309 --> 02:57:37,279
in uh well back then it was done before

4283
02:57:43,190 --> 02:57:40,319
computers were creating uh documents so

4284
02:57:44,790 --> 02:57:43,200
you had to sit and type this stuff out

4285
02:57:47,110 --> 02:57:44,800
page for page

4286
02:57:49,349 --> 02:57:47,120
um and have it correct and then you have

4287
02:57:52,070 --> 02:57:49,359
to have the data inside of it

4288
02:57:55,030 --> 02:57:52,080
if somebody is writing something on on a

4289
02:57:57,030 --> 02:57:55,040
specific date and their name is on it uh

4290
02:57:58,710 --> 02:57:57,040
from this address

4291
02:58:01,510 --> 02:57:58,720
you have to make sure that that person

4292
02:58:03,670 --> 02:58:01,520
was in that city at that time right and

4293
02:58:06,630 --> 02:58:03,680
and for the most part everything lined

4294
02:58:07,750 --> 02:58:06,640
up in the mj 12 documents when you were

4295
02:58:10,550 --> 02:58:07,760
vetting

4296
02:58:13,110 --> 02:58:10,560
specific things that you could vet

4297
02:58:14,150 --> 02:58:13,120
you can't you can't vet e.t

4298
02:58:15,750 --> 02:58:14,160
but you can

4299
02:58:18,389 --> 02:58:15,760
vet the person

4300
02:58:20,550 --> 02:58:18,399
their title and where they were working

4301
02:58:21,830 --> 02:58:20,560
at that time and it was it was it all

4302
02:58:22,710 --> 02:58:21,840
lined up

4303
02:58:24,630 --> 02:58:22,720
well

4304
02:58:26,710 --> 02:58:24,640
that's because it was a legitimate

4305
02:58:28,230 --> 02:58:26,720
government document created by the

4306
02:58:29,190 --> 02:58:28,240
government

4307
02:58:31,510 --> 02:58:29,200
but

4308
02:58:33,190 --> 02:58:31,520
that's the document

4309
02:58:35,429 --> 02:58:33,200
now you have to talk about

4310
02:58:37,030 --> 02:58:35,439
the information contained in the

4311
02:58:41,269 --> 02:58:37,040
document

4312
02:58:43,269 --> 02:58:41,279
now is all that real did all that happen

4313
02:58:45,750 --> 02:58:43,279
uh that's that's the question the

4314
02:58:47,510 --> 02:58:45,760
document itself is legitimate because

4315
02:58:49,429 --> 02:58:47,520
the government created it right but they

4316
02:58:51,510 --> 02:58:49,439
created it for a reason

4317
02:58:53,670 --> 02:58:51,520
i mean i know people out there say no

4318
02:58:57,110 --> 02:58:53,680
it's you know this isn't right and this

4319
02:59:01,830 --> 02:58:58,830
they they just shot themselves in the

4320
02:59:04,550 --> 02:59:01,840
foot they showed their ignorance because

4321
02:59:06,550 --> 02:59:04,560
it is a government document they created

4322
02:59:07,590 --> 02:59:06,560
a document and they created it for a

4323
02:59:09,030 --> 02:59:07,600
reason

4324
02:59:11,349 --> 02:59:09,040
now

4325
02:59:14,230 --> 02:59:11,359
is it disinformation i didn't create the

4326
02:59:15,990 --> 02:59:14,240
document i don't know the reason i don't

4327
02:59:17,990 --> 02:59:16,000
know what they were trying to do with

4328
02:59:21,110 --> 02:59:18,000
jamie i mean but if you know the

4329
02:59:23,590 --> 02:59:21,120
background of jamie you know jamie

4330
02:59:26,070 --> 02:59:23,600
uh goes way back i mean jamie was

4331
02:59:29,590 --> 02:59:26,080
involved with uh

4332
02:59:31,590 --> 02:59:29,600
the navy navy intelligence uh he did

4333
02:59:35,190 --> 02:59:31,600
he was a source on on some things for

4334
02:59:37,110 --> 02:59:35,200
navy navy intelligence and he

4335
02:59:39,110 --> 02:59:37,120
he created some things

4336
02:59:41,110 --> 02:59:39,120
and he did some things that navy

4337
02:59:43,030 --> 02:59:41,120
intelligence told him to do

4338
02:59:44,710 --> 02:59:43,040
uh and he

4339
02:59:46,950 --> 02:59:44,720
you know and then he went

4340
02:59:49,190 --> 02:59:46,960
off the deep end

4341
02:59:52,150 --> 02:59:49,200
and you know claiming that the navy

4342
02:59:52,870 --> 02:59:52,160
seals abducted him and all this stuff

4343
03:00:00,950 --> 02:59:52,880
yeah

4344
03:00:03,190 --> 03:00:00,960
we're i i've got 30 seconds left so i

4345
03:00:05,750 --> 03:00:03,200
will take this time to say

4346
03:00:08,309 --> 03:00:05,760
amazing conversation tonight rick

4347
03:00:11,510 --> 03:00:08,319
amazing and uh thank you so much for

4348
03:00:13,670 --> 03:00:11,520
taking the time uh from uh the secret

4349
03:00:16,710 --> 03:00:13,680
location of the red roof inn

4350
03:00:18,950 --> 03:00:16,720
somewhere in the mojave desert thank you

4351
03:00:21,269 --> 03:00:18,960
very much rick and uh we'll talk about

4352
03:00:21,910 --> 03:00:21,279
the week uh behave and be well

4353
03:00:22,950 --> 03:00:21,920
and

4354
03:00:27,510 --> 03:00:22,960
thank you

4355
03:00:30,710 --> 03:00:27,520
always enjoy being on your show you're

4356
03:00:33,510 --> 03:00:30,720
the best thank you so much rick

4357
03:00:34,710 --> 03:00:33,520
with that i've got to go straight to the

4358
03:00:38,389 --> 03:00:34,720
credits

4359
03:00:40,309 --> 03:00:38,399
lots of stuff uh tonight on the show lot

4360
03:00:43,349 --> 03:00:40,319
and i know that all of you are gonna go

4361
03:00:45,750 --> 03:00:43,359
back and and listen to this again and

4362
03:00:48,950 --> 03:00:45,760
and remind me i'm gonna have to go back

4363
03:00:51,750 --> 03:00:48,960
and listen to this show

4364
03:00:54,950 --> 03:00:51,760
wow incredible thank you rick

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03:00:56,790 --> 03:00:54,960
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03:01:28,870 --> 03:01:26,960
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4381
03:01:30,550 --> 03:01:28,880
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4382
03:01:33,190 --> 03:01:30,560
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4383
03:01:35,510 --> 03:01:33,200
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03:01:42,480 --> 03:01:35,520
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